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    Coolpack error



    Hello colleagues,

    Draw a cycle in Coolpack
    R134a, TC 40°C; 5K SH and 5 K SC, TE= -5°C.
    In Cycle analysis, enthalpy at end of evaporator = 257 kJ/kg
    Same cycle drawn in Refrigeration Utilities of Coolpack and enthalpy is there at the same point around 400 kJ/kg (zoomed in)
    Where's this difference coming from?


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    Re: Coolpack error

    Does it give the same changes in Enthalpy?
    Maybe different people wrote those parts of coolpack?
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    Re: Coolpack error

    Agree with seanf, check to see if the enthalpy CHANGES are the same. The "zero point" for enthaply seems to be an arbitrary decision, so the values at a given point may differ, but the change between two states should yield the same result. I'm old so use tables mostly, but my favorite defines enthalpy at 0 for -40F (or -40C) saturated liquid.

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    Re: Coolpack error

    Hello, change in enthalpy is indeed the same for both codes but anyhow, a given refrigerant has at a certain point in a log ph always a fix enthalpy which should be always the same.
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    Re: Coolpack error

    Same topic discussed in earlier thread here: https://www.refrigeration-engineer.c...ative-enthalpy

    As stated, -40C is "typical" place to assign 0 enthalpy for saturated liquid, but you could use a different temperature for this, as some sources do. Since the change in enthalpy is the point of interest, it does not matter where you assign a zero value - the difference between state points is what defines the work done.

    In my most used source, all refrigerants (ammonia, CO2, R507, etc) have 0 enthalpy for -40F saturated liquid. This is not a crazy coincidence, but rather a conscious choice to use a common reference point. Obviously all these different substances to not have the exact same internal energy as each other.

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