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28-04-2009, 03:31 PM
Well, I'd like to recover some space in my laboratory... it's pretty large actually but I find my cascades to take too much space: the 3-stager especially, but my big 2-stager is definitely not small actually :rolleyes:
So I'm thinking of building an 'all-in-one' autocascade. I mean to replace my two actual cascades.
The needs
- Covering temperature range within -100 to -130C (+ or - 20C :p: )
- Minimal size
- Flexibility of move
Idea #1
- Refrigerants: R600 / R507 / R1150 / R14
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Compressor #1 13.5cc/rev
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Oil separator: ShineYear
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Copper filter drier (10 or 15gr)
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Condenser (to be chosen cuz I don't know how much cooling efficiency I need here)
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R600)
- R600 Captube (very short cuz all I want is condensing R507 at 0 to 10C no matter the ambient temp)
- R600 // R507+R1150+R14 HX R600 / R507
- R600 R600 back to compressor #1
- R507+R1150+R14 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R507)
- R507 TEV
- R507 // R1150+R14 HX R507 / R1150
- R507 R507 back to compressor #1
- R1150+R14 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R1150)
- R1150 Liquid reciever: Frigomec 1.6l
- R1150 Two independant ways for expansion (each one commanded by a hand valve):
a) 2 x 2mm captube + CPEV prior to CPU evaporator #1
or
b) TEV modded for R1150
- R14 Compressor #2 13.4cc/rev on R14 LSP (preceeded by a hand valve)
- R1150 // R14 HX R1150 / R14
- R1150 R1150 back to compressor #1
- R14 Liquid reciever: Alco ~1.5l
- R14 2 x 2mm captube + CPEV prior to CPU evaporator #2
- R14 R14 back to compressor #2
This way, at the end of phase separations, the R14 is stuck into is own area of the circuit by closing hand valves. Then a dedicated compressor is used to make it running. Dunno if it can be done... and if it makes sense.
Idea #2
- Refrigerants: R600 / R507 / R1150 / R14
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Compressor #1 13.5cc/rev // Compressor #2 13.4cc/rev
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Oil separator: ShineYear
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Copper filter drier (10 or 15gr)
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Condenser (to be chosen cuz I don't know how much cooling efficiency I need here)
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R600)
- R600 Captube (very short cuz all I want is condensing R507 at 0 to 10C no matter the ambient temp)
- R600 // R507+R1150+R14 HX R600 / R507
- R600 R600 back to compressors suc side
- R507+R1150+R14 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R507)
- R507 TEV
- R507 // R1150+R14 HX R507 / R1150
- R507 R507 back to compressors suc side
- R1150+R14 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R1150)
- R1150 Liquid reciever: Frigomec 1.6l
- R1150 Two independant ways for expansion (each one commanded by a hand valve):
a) 2 x 2mm captube + CPEV prior to CPU evaporator #1
or
b) TEV modded for R1150
- R1150 // R14 HX R1150 / R14
- R1150 R1150 back to compressors suc side
- R14 Liquid reciever: Alco ~1.5l
- R14 2 x 2mm captube + CPEV prior to CPU evaporator #2
- R14 R14 back to compressors suc side
Here I'm using 2 compressors in // with basically same specs (one LG and one Toshiba), just because I've them and it would be nice to use them actually thx to their 'relativily' limited power consumption / and noise.
Idea #3
- Refrigerants: R600 / R507 / R1150 / R14
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Compressor 16.7cc/rev, 33cc/rev, 36cc/rev or 40.7cc/rev
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Oil separator: ShineYear
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Copper filter drier (10 or 15gr)
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Condenser (to be chosen cuz I don't know how much cooling efficiency I need here)
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R600)
- R600 Captube (very short cuz all I want is condensing R507 at 0 to 10C no matter the ambient temp)
- R600 // R507+R1150+R14 HX R600 / R507
- R600 R600 back to compressor suc side
- R507+R1150+R14 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R507)
- R507 TEV
- R507 // R1150+R14 HX R507 / R1150
- R507 R507 back to compressor suc side
- R1150+R14 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R1150)
- R1150 Liquid reciever: Frigomec 1.6l
- R1150 Two independant ways for expansion (each one commanded by a hand valve):
a) 2 x 2mm captube + CPEV prior to CPU evaporator #1
or
b) TEV modded for R1150
- R1150 // R14 HX R1150 / R14
- R1150 R1150 back to compressor suc side
- R14 Liquid reciever: Alco ~1.5l
- R14 2 x 2mm captube + CPEV prior to CPU evaporator #2
- R14 R14 back to compressor suc side
Basically the same idea as #2, but with a single and more powerful compressor to be chosen among moderately powerful to very powferful with the LG NG407 for instance.
Idea #4
1st STAGE
- Refrigerants: R600 / R507 / R1150
- R600+R507+R1150 Compressor 13.5cc/rev, 16.7cc/rev, 33cc/rev, 36cc/rev or 40.7cc/rev
- R600+R507+R1150 Oil separator: ShineYear
- R600+R507+R1150 Copper filter drier (10 or 15gr)
- R600+R507+R1150 Condenser (to be chosen cuz I don't know how much cooling efficiency I need here)
- R600+R507+R1150 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R600)
- R600 Captube (very short cuz all I want is condensing R507 at 0 to 10C no matter the ambient temp)
- R600 // R507+R1150 HX R600 / R507
- R600 R600 back to compressor suc side
- R507+R1150 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R507)
- R507 TEV
- R507 // R1150 HX R507 / R1150
- R507 R507 back to compressor suc side
- R1150 Liquid reciever: Frigomec 1.6l
- R1150 Two independant ways for expansion (each one commanded by a hand valve):
a) 2 x 2mm captube + CPEV prior to CPU evaporator #1
or
b) TEV modded for R1150
- R1150 // R14 HX R1150 / R14
- R1150 R1150 back to compressor suc side
2nd STAGE
- Refrigerant: R14
- R14 Compressor 13.5cc/rev, 16.7cc/rev, 33cc/rev, 36cc/rev or 40.7cc/rev
- R14 Oil separator: ShineYear
- R14 Copper filter drier (10 or 15gr)
- R1150 // R14 HX R1150 / R14
- R14 Liquid reciever: Alco ~1.5l
- R14 2 x 2mm captube + CPEV prior to CPU evaporator #2
- R14 R14 back to compressor suc side
One autocascading stage + a classic single stage.
Idea #5
1st STAGE
- Refrigerants: R600 / R507
- R600+R507 Compressor 13.5cc/rev, 16.7cc/rev, 33cc/rev, 36cc/rev or 40.7cc/rev
- R600+R507 Oil separator: ShineYear
- R600+R507 Copper filter drier (10 or 15gr)
- R600+R507 Condenser (to be chosen cuz I don't know how much cooling efficiency I need here)
- R600+R507 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R600)
- R600 Captube (very short cuz all I want is condensing R507 at 0 to 10C no matter the ambient temp)
- R600 // R507 HX R600 / R507
- R600 R600 back to compressor suc side
- R507 TEV
- R507 // R1150 HX R507 / R1150
- R507 R507 back to compressor suc side
2nd STAGE
- Refrigerants: R1150 / R14
- R1150+R14 Compressor 13.5cc/rev, 16.7cc/rev, 33cc/rev, 36cc/rev or 40.7cc/rev
- R1150+R14 Oil separator: ShineYear
- R1150+R14 Copper filter drier (10 or 15gr)
- R507 // R1150+R14 HX R507 / R1150
- R1150+R14 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R1150)
- R1150 Liquid reciever: Alco ~1.5l
- R1150 Two independant ways for expansion (each one commanded by a hand valve):
a) 2 x 2mm captube + CPEV prior to CPU evaporator #1
or
b) TEV modded for R1150
- R1150 // R14 HX R1150 / R14
- R1150 R1150 back to compressor suc side
- R14 2 x 2mm captube + CPEV prior to CPU evaporator #2
- R14 R14 back to compressor suc side
Two autocascading stages.
- 70cm/50cm/85cm case (with an intermediate stage): possibly pvc sides, and caoutchouc wheels.
Hope it can be done. :) I'd like to be able to use R1150 or R14 independently.
So I'm thinking of building an 'all-in-one' autocascade. I mean to replace my two actual cascades.
The needs
- Covering temperature range within -100 to -130C (+ or - 20C :p: )
- Minimal size
- Flexibility of move
Idea #1
- Refrigerants: R600 / R507 / R1150 / R14
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Compressor #1 13.5cc/rev
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Oil separator: ShineYear
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Copper filter drier (10 or 15gr)
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Condenser (to be chosen cuz I don't know how much cooling efficiency I need here)
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R600)
- R600 Captube (very short cuz all I want is condensing R507 at 0 to 10C no matter the ambient temp)
- R600 // R507+R1150+R14 HX R600 / R507
- R600 R600 back to compressor #1
- R507+R1150+R14 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R507)
- R507 TEV
- R507 // R1150+R14 HX R507 / R1150
- R507 R507 back to compressor #1
- R1150+R14 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R1150)
- R1150 Liquid reciever: Frigomec 1.6l
- R1150 Two independant ways for expansion (each one commanded by a hand valve):
a) 2 x 2mm captube + CPEV prior to CPU evaporator #1
or
b) TEV modded for R1150
- R14 Compressor #2 13.4cc/rev on R14 LSP (preceeded by a hand valve)
- R1150 // R14 HX R1150 / R14
- R1150 R1150 back to compressor #1
- R14 Liquid reciever: Alco ~1.5l
- R14 2 x 2mm captube + CPEV prior to CPU evaporator #2
- R14 R14 back to compressor #2
This way, at the end of phase separations, the R14 is stuck into is own area of the circuit by closing hand valves. Then a dedicated compressor is used to make it running. Dunno if it can be done... and if it makes sense.
Idea #2
- Refrigerants: R600 / R507 / R1150 / R14
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Compressor #1 13.5cc/rev // Compressor #2 13.4cc/rev
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Oil separator: ShineYear
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Copper filter drier (10 or 15gr)
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Condenser (to be chosen cuz I don't know how much cooling efficiency I need here)
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R600)
- R600 Captube (very short cuz all I want is condensing R507 at 0 to 10C no matter the ambient temp)
- R600 // R507+R1150+R14 HX R600 / R507
- R600 R600 back to compressors suc side
- R507+R1150+R14 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R507)
- R507 TEV
- R507 // R1150+R14 HX R507 / R1150
- R507 R507 back to compressors suc side
- R1150+R14 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R1150)
- R1150 Liquid reciever: Frigomec 1.6l
- R1150 Two independant ways for expansion (each one commanded by a hand valve):
a) 2 x 2mm captube + CPEV prior to CPU evaporator #1
or
b) TEV modded for R1150
- R1150 // R14 HX R1150 / R14
- R1150 R1150 back to compressors suc side
- R14 Liquid reciever: Alco ~1.5l
- R14 2 x 2mm captube + CPEV prior to CPU evaporator #2
- R14 R14 back to compressors suc side
Here I'm using 2 compressors in // with basically same specs (one LG and one Toshiba), just because I've them and it would be nice to use them actually thx to their 'relativily' limited power consumption / and noise.
Idea #3
- Refrigerants: R600 / R507 / R1150 / R14
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Compressor 16.7cc/rev, 33cc/rev, 36cc/rev or 40.7cc/rev
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Oil separator: ShineYear
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Copper filter drier (10 or 15gr)
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Condenser (to be chosen cuz I don't know how much cooling efficiency I need here)
- R600+R507+R1150+R14 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R600)
- R600 Captube (very short cuz all I want is condensing R507 at 0 to 10C no matter the ambient temp)
- R600 // R507+R1150+R14 HX R600 / R507
- R600 R600 back to compressor suc side
- R507+R1150+R14 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R507)
- R507 TEV
- R507 // R1150+R14 HX R507 / R1150
- R507 R507 back to compressor suc side
- R1150+R14 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R1150)
- R1150 Liquid reciever: Frigomec 1.6l
- R1150 Two independant ways for expansion (each one commanded by a hand valve):
a) 2 x 2mm captube + CPEV prior to CPU evaporator #1
or
b) TEV modded for R1150
- R1150 // R14 HX R1150 / R14
- R1150 R1150 back to compressor suc side
- R14 Liquid reciever: Alco ~1.5l
- R14 2 x 2mm captube + CPEV prior to CPU evaporator #2
- R14 R14 back to compressor suc side
Basically the same idea as #2, but with a single and more powerful compressor to be chosen among moderately powerful to very powferful with the LG NG407 for instance.
Idea #4
1st STAGE
- Refrigerants: R600 / R507 / R1150
- R600+R507+R1150 Compressor 13.5cc/rev, 16.7cc/rev, 33cc/rev, 36cc/rev or 40.7cc/rev
- R600+R507+R1150 Oil separator: ShineYear
- R600+R507+R1150 Copper filter drier (10 or 15gr)
- R600+R507+R1150 Condenser (to be chosen cuz I don't know how much cooling efficiency I need here)
- R600+R507+R1150 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R600)
- R600 Captube (very short cuz all I want is condensing R507 at 0 to 10C no matter the ambient temp)
- R600 // R507+R1150 HX R600 / R507
- R600 R600 back to compressor suc side
- R507+R1150 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R507)
- R507 TEV
- R507 // R1150 HX R507 / R1150
- R507 R507 back to compressor suc side
- R1150 Liquid reciever: Frigomec 1.6l
- R1150 Two independant ways for expansion (each one commanded by a hand valve):
a) 2 x 2mm captube + CPEV prior to CPU evaporator #1
or
b) TEV modded for R1150
- R1150 // R14 HX R1150 / R14
- R1150 R1150 back to compressor suc side
2nd STAGE
- Refrigerant: R14
- R14 Compressor 13.5cc/rev, 16.7cc/rev, 33cc/rev, 36cc/rev or 40.7cc/rev
- R14 Oil separator: ShineYear
- R14 Copper filter drier (10 or 15gr)
- R1150 // R14 HX R1150 / R14
- R14 Liquid reciever: Alco ~1.5l
- R14 2 x 2mm captube + CPEV prior to CPU evaporator #2
- R14 R14 back to compressor suc side
One autocascading stage + a classic single stage.
Idea #5
1st STAGE
- Refrigerants: R600 / R507
- R600+R507 Compressor 13.5cc/rev, 16.7cc/rev, 33cc/rev, 36cc/rev or 40.7cc/rev
- R600+R507 Oil separator: ShineYear
- R600+R507 Copper filter drier (10 or 15gr)
- R600+R507 Condenser (to be chosen cuz I don't know how much cooling efficiency I need here)
- R600+R507 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R600)
- R600 Captube (very short cuz all I want is condensing R507 at 0 to 10C no matter the ambient temp)
- R600 // R507 HX R600 / R507
- R600 R600 back to compressor suc side
- R507 TEV
- R507 // R1150 HX R507 / R1150
- R507 R507 back to compressor suc side
2nd STAGE
- Refrigerants: R1150 / R14
- R1150+R14 Compressor 13.5cc/rev, 16.7cc/rev, 33cc/rev, 36cc/rev or 40.7cc/rev
- R1150+R14 Oil separator: ShineYear
- R1150+R14 Copper filter drier (10 or 15gr)
- R507 // R1150+R14 HX R507 / R1150
- R1150+R14 Gas-liquid separator (extraction of R1150)
- R1150 Liquid reciever: Alco ~1.5l
- R1150 Two independant ways for expansion (each one commanded by a hand valve):
a) 2 x 2mm captube + CPEV prior to CPU evaporator #1
or
b) TEV modded for R1150
- R1150 // R14 HX R1150 / R14
- R1150 R1150 back to compressor suc side
- R14 2 x 2mm captube + CPEV prior to CPU evaporator #2
- R14 R14 back to compressor suc side
Two autocascading stages.
- 70cm/50cm/85cm case (with an intermediate stage): possibly pvc sides, and caoutchouc wheels.
Hope it can be done. :) I'd like to be able to use R1150 or R14 independently.