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ydoubleun
03-07-2008, 05:09 AM
hello..
i just looking for a book that shows Friction loss for Piping. now i m designing for CHWP but the pipe i designed is too big (1200mm). so i can't find the friction loss for such big pipe.
so please share the information for me.

thanks in advance.

US Iceman
03-07-2008, 02:16 PM
It sounds like you are using friction loss tables. Now you have to calculate the friction losses. Look on Google for information about the Moody diagram and the Darcy-Weisbach equation. And, you will need to find the surface roughness of the pipe you are using.


The process goes something like this:
Find the fluid velocity in the pipe
Determine the Reynolds number
Find the friction factor from the Moody diagram
Do the calculations for the Darcy-Weisbach equation to find the friction loss
And check your units very carefully and you are done!

GXMPLX
03-07-2008, 03:04 PM
hello..
i just looking for a book that shows Friction loss for Piping. now i m designing for CHWP but the pipe i designed is too big (1200mm). so i can't find the friction loss for such big pipe.
so please share the information for me.

thanks in advance.

Follow US_Iceman's recomendations, they are better than a book, but if you want to check for yourself a good summry is in ASHRAE Fundamental's.

Don't tell anyone but if you look enough you'll find it here.

chemi-cool
03-07-2008, 06:40 PM
http://www.tasonline.co.za/toolbox/pipe/velfirc.htm

frank
03-07-2008, 09:23 PM
I put the formula into a spreadsheet once. I'll have a look on my old computer.

frank
03-07-2008, 09:34 PM
Here it is.

Brian_UK
03-07-2008, 11:18 PM
Mind you at 1200mm diameter that sure is some system that you are attempting :)

Graham
09-07-2008, 06:54 AM
Bruce Wernick wrote a paper entitled Pressure Drop in large bore pipe systems. That was published in the November 2004 issue of African Heating & Cooling. He uses the D’Arcy-Weisbach equation, with the Moody diagram to deal with the friction factor in conjunction with Colebrooks equation to find some sort of relationship between the variables. And then adapts the Hazen-Williams equation. He wrote the paper to deal with nominal pipe sizes up to 1700mm. I believe ASHRAE were going to publish the paper as well.

US Iceman
09-07-2008, 03:35 PM
Bruce Wernick wrote a paper entitled Pressure Drop in large bore pipe systems.


Any chance you can get a copy to share or link to?

BigJon3475
09-07-2008, 11:49 PM
Any chance you can get a copy to share or link to?

http://www.coolit.co.za/pipeflow/bigpipe.htm

US Iceman
10-07-2008, 12:28 AM
Thanks BigJon. I now have a copy printed out.

Graham
11-07-2008, 06:26 AM
Thanks BigJon. I knew it was somewhere but was not sure where.