moving to Aus

[jjthefridge]

Hi, i'm j.j. i work mostly in supermarket down in devon just starting the process of applying for visa for Australia, anyone else doing the same or already working in Aus?

Cheers

j.j.:D

[Josip]

Hi, jjthefridge :)


Hi, i'm j.j. i work mostly in supermarket down in devon just starting the process of applying for visa for Australia, anyone else doing the same or already working in Aus?

Cheers

j.j.:D

Just to check how is all about I sent one application for some industrial ammonia refrigeration position....they were more then happy with my CV and skills....,but not with my age;)....

I told them I need only a temporary visa up to 1 year, renewable, wahtever...don't want to move forever to Aus.....later on no sign of them....

...hope you will have more luck :)

Best regards, Josip :)

[absolute-zero]

Hi, i'm j.j. i work mostly in supermarket down in devon just starting the process of applying for visa for Australia, anyone else doing the same or already working in Aus?

Cheers

j.j.:D

Greetings jjthefridge,
welcome to the RE community

Good luck with the Aus relocation, someday i may consider it myself.:cool:

Regards A-Z

[Eski]

Come down, there is plenty of work for good mechanics. Fridgy's are in short supply especially industrial, no matter what age.

[Josip]

Hi, Eski :)


Come down, there is plenty of work for good mechanics. Fridgy's are in short supply especially industrial, no matter what age.

Show me the way...seems too difficult to get papers;)

Best regards, Josip :)

[absolute-zero]

Pave the path for Joisp:D

[paul_h]

Maybe worthwhile trying again josip.
Skills shortage is worse than ever and we've just had a compete change in government. The last government was really though on immigration, this one is more likely to address the skills issue and look to more import techs.
the last government was more interested in just getting cheap labour from overseas, hopefully this government is more interested in quality and training.

[absolute-zero]

It sounds like career/proffession opportunities, Knocking at the door.

I know they need some Reefer-technicians along with other transport refrigerated professionals there as well.

For the details on that you need to talk to Thermo-Prince.;) He will help you with they key contacts.

Regards A-Z

[Josip]

Hi, Paul_h :)

Maybe worthwhile trying again josip.
Skills shortage is worse than ever and we've just had a compete change in government. The last government was really though on immigration, this one is more likely to address the skills issue and look to more import techs.
the last government was more interested in just getting cheap labour from overseas, hopefully this government is more interested in quality and training.

agree with you....but where to ask...I'm not lazy guy but to write so much papers....explanations....don't know even the names for those documents....seems too high obstacles or at least too many.....

....is there some government office taking care about list of available skilled manpower.....

Best regards, Josip :)

[chris96]

i got to Australia in 2007 on a 136 visa, i went to Brisbane and found i was unable to get work as i don't have the licences req'd (electrical and refrigerant).
Secured a job back in the UK and decided to head back for a couple of years and sort it from this side.

Chris

[jjthefridge]

Hi,

Cheers guys for replys had an e-mail from vetassess about details they want for written assessment, time to get writing and photo coping,

j.j.

[FreezerGeezer]

We're moving there this year. I'm in a slightly different boat as I'm going via spouse visa.
I'm trying to find out if I need anything special qualifications-wise to do project engineering / management at the moment, so any advice there would be appreciated.

I have been told that I do not have to do the Trade Recognition thing as I'm not moving on the skilled visa, but that it may help to find a job if I want / need to go on the tools to get work.
However, I'm kind of hoping that having worked most of my life for 2 industry leaders will speak for itself as the cost of doing the TRA is astronomical!

[FreezerGeezer]

Because;

a) Trane don't do transfers.
b) Trane no longer owns the Australasia operation. They sold it to Dalkia.
c) I no longer work for Trane. Still happy to help here with tech. stuff though. If I can't remember it, I still have friends at Trane who will.

Having said that, I do have Trane / Dalkia contacts in Australia & will be exploring the possibilities soon.
However, I spent most of my time at Trane in the office, doing tech. support, projects & quotes, which is part of why I'm more inclined to stay in projects if I can.
There are other reasons too. For e.g, although I'm mainly back on the tools now, my joints are feeling it!
And also I like knowing when I will be home. Especially as I hope to have a family soon. Although maybe that's a good reason to do a lot of standby! ;)

Remember too, that I am not emigrating on a skilled visa. My wife is Australian & wants to return home. Having asked the TRA people, I was told that it is only essential to take the TRA for a skilled migration. In my case & similar ones, it's not necessary, but may help in the quest for work.

My understanding is that once in the country, the only (ha!) required papers to allow you to work are the Artic licence, the local limited electrical licence, and dependant on state, a limited plumbers licence and also a blue card.

[drew71]

I appologise if this has already been covered,
" I'm kind of hoping that having worked most of my life for 2 industry leaders will speak for itself as the cost of doing the TRA is astronomical!"
The Australian Refrigeration Council were initially notoriously hard to deal with, I believe they are no longer issuing "experienced persons" licences & I know of several people who are still battling to get thier ARCtick license, these are people with Australian trade certificates and even one with navy discharge papers, the problem was ARC were only accepting specific Trade certificates, many of the state ones wern't accepted, I believe it is a little easier now.
The AIRAH offer Trade assesment with recognition of Prior Learning or experience for about $650 Aus dollars, The national restricted electrical training will set you back about $1400 Aus dollars with a license fee of around $120 depending on the state (you also need reference or endorsement from a licensed electrical fitter/mechanic or Contractor) to recieve this license in New South Wales. Occupational Health and Safety Training is about $100 Aus dollars depending on state with a similar price on the issue of a card.
Also in New south Wales at least if you are self employed or employed on a contract basis you will need a contractors license (though in an engineering or design role wouldn't require that it be designated qualified (this is for hands on work) if you were an employee this would be replaced by a qualified supervisors certificate both are about $125 Aus dollars per year, from memory the actual ARC license is $100 dollars for 2 years, seperate certificates or licenses are also required to purchase refrigerant,work at heights or in confined spaces and provide first aid (senior first aid is a requirement for most leading hand,supervisory roles)
I don't know if our recent change in government will scuttle the plans for a continuing proffesional development program that was on the books, but since electrical trades already have it I would say its coming, so we can all look forward to mandatory minimum training throught the year in order to keep licenses current.
Sounds depressing I know, but on the bright side, its all tax deductable & you kind of get into a groove where filling out forms becomes second nature.


Cheers

Drew

[PaulZ]

We have sponsored some mechnics from South Africa and the UK over the years.
We are always looking for industrial mechanics.

Here are some useful links

The requested link:
Booklet 11: ‘Sponsoring a temporary overseas employee to Australia' and
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[jjthefridge]

Hi Paul,
with reference to your coments regarding sponsorship in Australia as i mostly work on supermarket refrigeration do you know of any companies currently looking for refrigeration engineers.

j.j.

[PaulZ]

Hi j.j.
You can check these 2 sites, www.Seek.com.au (http://www.Seek.com.au) and www.CareerOne.com.au (http://www.CareerOne.com.au)
Only problem is a lot of companies don't bother advertising as there is such a shortage of mechanics in Aust. Google Supermarket Refrigeration Installation in Australia only and I reckon you will get the lot. They will all have email addresses I reckon.
You can also try some of the employment agencies like Hays or Conquest Personnel.
There are a few companies who do supermarket service, in Adelaide there is Simms and Altech.
Hope this helps.
Paul

[jjthefridge]

Paul,

cheers for advice, i'll look into the site few e-mails see what comes back. Do most places in Aus shut down for a couple of weeks over christmas?

Do you have company car tax in Aus? used to be in uk that that you could use company vans at evenings/weekends no tax but seeing as people over here use 4x4 pick ups as company cars(no tax) so every one now is liable to pay tax on company vans if you use them for personal use, costs me about £55/$120 per month but can't buy and run a new van for that money, just another tax.

j.j.

[PaulZ]

jollycold
you will find any fridgie who knows what he is doing gets a lot more then the award. This is a base for Government employed guys.
And yes they are some restrictions with regards to who they let in, I am sure the US would be the same.
As there has just been a change of government things may get better.

jj
All our mechanics have a company car which they can use for private use, mobile phone, get paid overtime if they work more then 38 hours a week, get a minimum of 4 hours pay if called out after hours, all safety gear supplied, living away allowance each day if working away, get standby money if on call, all work travel expenses are paid for and a few other benefits.
the average mechanic can expect to earn $60 - $70 per year. If they work a lot of overtime it can be more.
We have 3 non Australian mechanics working for us at thye moment and another starting in a months time and they are pretty happy.
Mechanics in Aust don't get paid as much as those in the US and possibly the UK but the bigger companies in Aust are trying to push the rates up so they can pay their mechanics more.
Paul

[paul_h]

This won't change, they raise the bar they lower the bar but fundamentally the bar is rightly kept high...

The UK suffered from poor immigration control and is now attempting to introduce a similar points system. However those already in will be quietly forgotten about in a "Ah watchagonnado?" way.
Poverty and crime has soared in the UK. Gangs of all nationalities compete with each other to rob and kill the 'locals'. Certain sections are now -unofficially- considered no go area's for the police as the oft question posed 'is it coz I is black?' often means it's not worth the hassle catching them..

Back on track.Wages are just a part of the equation. It would be better if you quoted basic wage rather than the above as not all want/will work overtime. Living costs are actually quite high when you include silly things like doctors fees etc

http://grocery.bestpricedirectory.com.au/

Adelaide was always a relatively cheap city to live in (compared to Sydney & Melbourne ) and the most "English" by far.And very attractive it is too..

http://users.cobweb.com.au/~rbuckley/

However as you know these past 5 years has seen house prices increased above wages (*although AU has had some correction recently) Beach front properties are at a premium and lots have been sub divided and sub divided again.Again SA has certainly suffered less from this.

Of course the big surprise is that Australia is quite densely populated -or at least the habitual parts as 90% live within 60 miles form the sea. In the same way that the UK -or even the U.S- isn't actually densely populated as a whole rather just certain sections ...

The big problem is that an awful lot think Australia is 'gods own country' and moving out there will solve all their problems but as the boomerangs will testify -same s.h.i.t. different bucket
I'm in perth with a huge UK immigrant population, as well as S.A. population. I'm just working for a small business doing mainly domestic, but a bit of cafe/hotel, marine, ultralow medical stuff and a few turboprop aircraft.
For a 38 hr week I get $au59k, or about au$940 in my hand after tax.
Being a small business and mainly domestic/warranty I'm on the low end of the current pay rates.
rent would be $350 for a pretty average house.
However I bought a house at au$350k (they're not this cheap anymore try 450k for an average house), so I'm paying $620 per week mortgage, leaving $320 per week
to live on.
That's f all, but my g/f works too and covers the bills on her wage, I just take care of the mortgage.
Without her I'd be living week to week, food bill is around $100, a pint cost $8 (only go to the pub on sundays as it is ;) )
All the other bills are about $100 a week (gas, power, phone combined).

So even if the award is $19p/h , and I'm getting $30p/h I still don't really earn enough to improve my lot in life, just enough to live at my current level OK.
With renting you'd be a lot better off though, you'd have a spare 300 a week. That's what I used to save enough to afford a house and mortgage.

Of course there's plenty of overtime since every company is short staffed. I gave the basic wages before of $940 in my hand, but I usually work a 44 hr week and take home $1140.
What that works out to when comparing currencies is relative. Here in australia rent/mortgage carries straight over, ie convert the pounds you are paying to au$ at .40 pounds to the dollar and that's what you'll be paying here.
But some things are the same or cheaper after conversion unless your want european imports of course.

[chris96]

Hi,

You will need to complete the TRA to work on the tools in Australia.
Stage 1 TRA is for migration purposes, stage 2 is for the ARTIC certificate, you have to do stage 1 to get stage 2.

Without the ARTIC you will not be able to gain employment as a engineer - been there and tryed that!!!!

I had lots of interviews and loads of offers subject to me obtaining the licences. I was in Australia on a 136 skilled mechanical engineer visa (previous trade), this was because i never had the 7 yr's in refrigeration experiance that the TRA wanted (just the 6). I thought once in the country legally i could work my way in to the trade.
I did get a job as a mate but the pay was so poor and they just had me installing and brazing copper pipe because with out the licences i could'nt even use a multimeter!

I had a bad day at work and then a offer of employment with TRANE UK came through on the night so i did'nt have to think twice, booked my flight home and now i'm back.

i will go again one day but i am in no rush, enjoying proper work at the moment where i can repair myself and not be someones B**ch!

[get the gauges]

pay is low i've heard

[jjthefridge]

Hi j.j.

Only problem is a lot of companies don't bother advertising as there is such a shortage of mechanics in Aust. Google Supermarket Refrigeration Installation in Australia only and I reckon you will get the lot. They will all have email addresses I reckon.
You can also try some of the employment agencies like Hays or Conquest Personnel.
There are a few companies who do supermarket service, in Adelaide there is Simms and Altech.
Hope this helps.
Paul


Hi paul,

Googled supermarket frigeration and e-mail most of them, wasn't expecting many replies, most asked for my c.v., one company has asked for c.v. and copies of certificates, couple of agencies are forwarding my details to companies, so all good stuff, we'll see what comes back.

see ya

j.j.:)

[absolute-zero]

Heres an idea........

Maybe RE should create a Resume board for all techs and engineers to post in.

Upload your expierence and certificates and then everyonce in a while update it as you advance.

Then just sit back and let the companies come to you..:D

A-Z

[PaulZ]

Hi AZ
That's a pretty good idea as long as the employers know about the site. I know there are a lot of engineers and managers who post on this forum and they could pass the leads onto the relevant people in the companies they work for.
I found it by accident when I was looking for compressor information.
jj
Hope you have some success as I know there is a shortage of mechanics in all fields of refrigeration and in fact most trades in Aust.
Paul

[absolute-zero]

I am not sure how it would work, as I am finding many talented individuals here struggling with other countries standards and certifications.

I am from the US, and in the transport refrigeration field I am in, only requires a Section 608 type 2 refrigerant handling licence.

I have aquired all factory product line certifications, but they were only the OEM dealer sponsored programs, soon as you leave the company the certs go null in void non transferable.

I have said it before Certs dont make the tech/engineer. Its the indvidual themselves. But we need respectable and professinal standards or everyone will be out trying this and really screwing sh#t up.:D

Regards A-Z

[PaulZ]

Hi A-Z
I agree that certificates don't mean the tech is good but these are required by the relevant government organisations.
When we interview for mechanics we put more importance on their experience and where they have worked rather then what is written on paper.
In Aust all refrigeration mechanics who work with CFC, HCFC, HFC and PFC refrigerants have to have an ARCTICK license to handle these refrigerants and electrical license to do electrical work.
There are some who have these licenses and they wouldn't know s**t from clay.
I know that getting trade recognition and a visa when you move to Aust is a drawn out process but we are dealing with gov departments and they don't do anything quickly.
Maybe one day things will get easier for qualified people moving from one country to another.
Paul

[absolute-zero]

I know there is a shortage of mechanics in all fields of refrigeration and in fact most trades in Aust.
Paul

I guess we now know the reason for the shortage. If the governnment is slow on getting things done to get skilled tradesmen, or complictates it with certs. maybe its time for the tradesmen to move where the tradesmen are more easily excepted.

IF The last 5 tradesmen of aus abandon the island, you will see a note of whole other tune.

Me personally, I cant understand why the Gov would make it tough anyway, Im sure its not like peeeps are beating down the door of Aus island to come where all the deadliest creatures in the world live, and risk getting killed by the native wildlife.

I watch discovery channel and have seen documentation on most all the creatures and insects that live there and have great potentiol to kill you with one bite.

I take for granted that there is nothing deadly in my shoe or my clothes before I put them on everyday, here, and because of that, I would need to make a conciouse effort in not doing that over there.

I probably end up dead 5 minutes off the plane.:D

A-Z

[absolute-zero]

hey look at me, I graduated to regular poster, and I am friend to RE.

Ranking is cool.:cool:

[thermo prince]

I guess we now know the reason for the shortage. If the governnment is slow on getting things done to get skilled tradesmen, or complictates it with certs. maybe its time for the tradesmen to move where the tradesmen are more easily excepted.





"I watch discovery channel and have seen documentation on most all the creatures and insects that live there and have great potentiol to kill you with one bite.


I probably end up dead 5 minutes off the plane.:D "

A-Z

Geeeeze a-z, ye' r right mate, some of those Sheilas ( women!) you meet around Bondi are deadly !!!!

And hey .... those kangaroos dont fight fair either when they box you ..... at first chance they kick you in the nuts ! :D :D :D ;)

Not alone wages and SuperAnnuation, we need danger money going down there . YUK YUK ... but seriously though, earnings aside,both Aussie and NZ are wonderful places if you get chance to reside there.

best regards
T-P

[absolute-zero]

And hey .... those kangaroos dont fight fair either when they box you ..... at first chance they kick you in the nuts ! :D :D :D ;)


Geesh I wasnt worried about the sheilas bites, but holy ****, I never gave thought to the risk of getting kicked in the nuts by a mouse on steroids.:eek:

:DYUK YUK:D


Regards A-Z

[dsp]

Hey JJthefrij,
I know of a couple of positions at a Refrigeration wholesaler in Sydney if you are interested??
Not on the tool but still rewarding.
Let us know if you are still interested???

[PaulZ]

Hi A Z
Congrats on the new ranking.http://www.refrigeration-engineer.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif
Don't beleive everything you see on TV.
They make things seem worse then they really are.
It is true there are a lot of deadly bitey things here but they generally live in the bush. There are lots of other things that can hurt you probably the same as in the US.;)
It's only the bigger Roos (mice on steroids) that try to kick you in the nuts but thats only if you clip them with your bullbar or wing them with your rifle.:D
You should be a bit worried about the sheila bites they can be very painful and expensive.
Paul

[jjthefridge]

Hey JJthefrij,
I know of a couple of positions at a Refrigeration wholesaler in Sydney if you are interested??
Not on the tool but still rewarding.
Let us know if you are still interested???

Hi,
I actually enjoy fixing things, crawking on top of cold rooms, sitting in the pouring rain changing a compressor anything really hands on, but if you've got some more information i'd still be interested to know whats involved.

j.j.:rolleyes:

[paul_h]

Hi,
I actually enjoy fixing things, crawking on top of cold rooms, sitting in the pouring rain changing a compressor anything really hands on, but if you've got some more information i'd still be interested to know whats involved.

j.j.:rolleyes:
You can have my job then, I just handed in my notice ;)
What do I do? Heaps of residential splits and fridges, heaps of cafes and mcdonalds, the occasional proper restaurant and bar.
A few cool rooms and freezers, and about 4 commercial aircon jobs for small local companies
Plus support all the fridges and freezers inc. ultralows, at a wing of the main hospital.
Also about 6 small aircraft for the local companies.
I never do industrial or supermarket though.

edit: I stress the fact that 85% of my day is residential though, which is why I'm leaving. But then again you'll learn heaps doing that, so you'll be able to answer all the posts asking questions about residential splits and fridges here :)

[thermo prince]

Paul H - best of luck if you do decide to go out on your own . No time like present.
I'm sure you'll stay posting here to let us know some of your daily encounters.

regards
T-P

[absolute-zero]

Hi A Z
Congrats on the new ranking.http://www.refrigeration-engineer.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif
Don't beleive everything you see on TV.
They make things seem worse then they really are.
It is true there are a lot of deadly bitey things here but they generally live in the bush. There are lots of other things that can hurt you probably the same as in the US.;)
It's only the bigger Roos (mice on steroids) that try to kick you in the nuts but thats only if you clip them with your bullbar or wing them with your rifle.:D
You should be a bit worried about the sheila bites they can be very painful and expensive.
Paul

Do Sheila bites require painfull rabie shots?

Im sure Australia is very nice, I dont believe everything I see on TV, but croc hunter was one of my favorite shows. May Steve Irwin RIP.

I have actually always been quite fond of australis cultures and have alweays wanted to to go there to visit, of course i have been saying that for 10 years now and have not done it yet.

I would suppose someday when and if the opportunity arises for the occasion I certainlly would consider it.

Regards A-Z

[absolute-zero]

sitting in the pouring rain changing a compressor anything really hands on,
j.j.:rolleyes:

That has to be real good for the compressor and the remainder of the system. water moisture contamination. Can you build a tent of some sort? to keep water entering the system while servicing?

Rain doesnt bother me either but the refrigerant system does not share the same feelings or optimism.

I suppose with service practices like that, you can expect plenty of service work, continally going back to clean up the system and replace the compressors.:D

Regards A-Z

[jjthefridge]

That has to be real good for the compressor and the remainder of the system. water moisture contamination. Can you build a tent of some sort? to keep water entering the system while servicing?

Rain doesnt bother me either but the refrigerant system does not share the same feelings or optimism.

I suppose with service practices like that, you can expect plenty of service work, continally going back to clean up the system and replace the compressors.:D

Regards A-Z

luckily the compressor was inside and i was in the rain, so nothing but me got wet.

[absolute-zero]

luckily the compressor was inside and i was in the rain, so nothing but me got wet.


Phew!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:

[Magoo]

has any of you considered upstaking and moving to NZ. No kangaroos that kick you in the n#ts, no snakes, the odd woman that bites you in the wallet, weathers temperate. Most employees get vans, mobile phones, subsidised medical, and subsidised retirement schemes, and we talk english with localised odd bits.
Plus we are screeming out for half decent techo's. Money is good for local living costs, houses etc,,

magoo

[absolute-zero]

has any of you considered upstaking and moving to NZ. No kangaroos that kick you in the n#ts, no snakes, the odd woman that bites you in the wallet, weathers temperate. Most employees get vans, mobile phones, subsidised medical, and subsidised retirement schemes, and we talk english with localised odd bits.
Plus we are screeming out for half decent techo's. Money is good for local living costs, houses etc,,

magoo

Hi Magoo,

Now you have my complete and undivided interest.:D

Regards A-Z

[Magoo]

Hi A-Z
if you are half interested, I can put you in touch with a Transport Refrig Co.
On a cold day, temps are + 10 C ', on a hot day it could be + 27 and high humidity. Like break into a sweat combing your hair.
Life is preety cool here, as one associate US guy said, NZ is the best kept secret. Don't tell everybody.
Camping and beaches, BBQ's, and generaly having a blast in the norm.. See you down here soon.
Upper New York State has to be nut freezingly cold on a bad day. Stay in bed stuff. Today, here now it is +27 'C and hot. Good BBQ weather and the A1GP races start in Taupo in 40 minutes so must go.

be in touch magoo

[absolute-zero]

Hi A-Z
if you are half interested, I can put you in touch with a Transport Refrig Co.
On a cold day, temps are + 10 C ', on a hot day it could be + 27 and high humidity. Like break into a sweat combing your hair.
Life is preety cool here, as one associate US guy said, NZ is the best kept secret. Don't tell everybody.
Camping and beaches, BBQ's, and generaly having a blast in the norm.. See you down here soon.
Upper New York State has to be nut freezingly cold on a bad day. Stay in bed stuff. Today, here now it is +27 'C and hot. Good BBQ weather and the A1GP races start in Taupo in 40 minutes so must go.

be in touch magoo

Yes new york is cold this time of year and i also live on the great lakes, have alot of lake effect snow here. it would be nothing to have a couple foot of snow to fall in couple hours.

I do prefer the warm weather over the the cold weather.

I wouldnt mind examining the opportunity in regard to bringing my skills in Transport Climate control systems to NZ.;)

[Magoo]

check out www.seek.co.nz (http://www.seek.co.nz) at least this will give you an insight as to what is available. If that does not give details, talk back and I will get direct contact on your private connection through RE.
I should start a job spotter thing, take care. You are in good company.
magoo

[absolute-zero]

check out www.seek.co.nz (http://www.seek.co.nz) at least this will give you an insight as to what is available. If that does not give details, talk back and I will get direct contact on your private connection through RE.
I should start a job spotter thing, take care. You are in good company.
magoo

I checked out the link, it would seem that new zeland is short handed on diesel techs, my former skilled trade. I did not see any postings for transport refrigeration skilled help in sales or service. Maybe you new zealand and or australia are ok in that specific field of expertize.

Regards A-Z

[PaulZ]

Magoo
If NZ is so good how come there are so many Kiwis in Aust, they reckon there are more in Sydney then in Auckland.:D
AZ
I think there is a shortage in all fields of refrigeration. A lot of companies don't bother advertising. Maybe others on this forum could give you more info on transport fridge.
Paul

[absolute-zero]

Magoo
If NZ is so good how come there are so many Kiwis in Aust, they reckon there are more in Sydney then in Auckland.:D
AZ
I think there is a shortage in all fields of refrigeration. A lot of companies don't bother advertising. Maybe others on this forum could give you more info on transport fridge.
Paul

It looks like Thermo king owns a TK dealership in new zealand, and the other remainder group is (IRS).

A-Z

[thermo prince]

hi A-Z ,,, congrats on your 'promotion' to friend of RE - well deserved.
Only prob is now I wonder .... what does that ,make the rest of us punters???? enemies or foes of RE ? YUK YUK YUK :D:D

FYI ---- TK business down NZ way is 2 privately held dealerships (independently owned companies, not by TK Corp) Willie Hart runs TKNZ in Auckland ( North Isl)
while Mike HANNING owns TK SI NZ down Christchurch way - pretty place ! :) :)

With a few exceptions globally, TK does not own dealerships directly, preferring instead to work through independent Sales&Service Dealers ( like auto industry to large degree).
CTC tend to be factory direct.
2 different strategies to market - I dont say one is necessarily better than other. :) :cool:

best regards
T-P

[dsp]

Hi,
I actually enjoy fixing things, crawking on top of cold rooms, sitting in the pouring rain changing a compressor anything really hands on, but if you've got some more information i'd still be interested to know whats involved.

j.j.:rolleyes:

JJ,
Its pretty much a sales/Technical role. A fair bit of HeatLoads and Qouting and a bit of Technical assistence. on the road

If your interested take a look at Seek.com.au

Job Reference: 11524021


dsp:)

[absolute-zero]

T-P,
Thanks budy, RE is a great community to be a part of, and I to hope to stay along time.

I only assumed TKNZ was corp operated, we actually have several dealerships here that are corporate owned and controlled in the states, all the rest are private owned.

I did stop in at TKNZ wedsite and they look professional people there. I like there website as well as it seems they share some good risk management info and basic trouble shooting tips in there.

Regards A-Z

[absolute-zero]

Not to get off subject but last night Sat down to watch discovery channel again, but only to tune into a documentary called Killer Ants.

There happen to be a documentray on the Jumper jack ant and the bulldog ant, once again "Native of Australia". Nasty little buggers.

A-Z

[Magoo]

A-Z try Transcold. OK there's a lot of Kiwis living in Australia, its just over the ditch so to speak. A couple of hours in a plane away.
Ive been working out of town, so sorry I've not been in contact.
magoo

[absolute-zero]

Magoo, thanks but, CTC is not my gig buddy. I will continue to wait for the TK opportunties.

When you gentlemen talk about the Kiwis, is this in reference to the flightless nocturnal bird?

Talk to you later,

Regards A-Z

[thermo prince]

[QUOTE=absolute-zero;90967
When you gentlemen talk about the Kiwis, is this in reference to the flightless nocturnal bird?
Regards A-Z[/QUOTE]

hmmmm A-Z , " include me OUT " of this debate :D :D

You should know there's a lot of (mosly friendly) rivalry between the Aussies and Kiwis ( yes slang for NZ-landers).

Dont know if they are flightless exactly but have often seen many of both species " legless" :D :D ;) on w/ends.

And they used tosay the Irish can drink .... dunno 'bout that anymore, these guys in Antipodes drink " stubbies" of beer for breakfast, lunch, anytime really.... YUK YUK :)

regards
T-P

[absolute-zero]

hmmmm A-Z , " include me OUT " of this debate :D :D

You should know there's a lot of (mosly friendly) rivalry between the Aussies and Kiwis ( yes slang for NZ-landers).

Dont know if they are flightless exactly but have often seen many of both species " legless" :D :D ;) on w/ends.

And they used tosay the Irish can drink .... dunno 'bout that anymore, these guys in Antipodes drink " stubbies" of beer for breakfast, lunch, anytime really.... YUK YUK :)

regards
T-P

T-P,
you crack me up with some of the stuff you say :D

[nedgus2]

hi chaps i am new to the forum so go easy on me . regarding australia i am currently going through the visa process to emmigrate , what i would like to know is whats all the australian licences about , i am currently applying through vetassess [ now that they have taken over the TRA assessing body ] i hold city and guilds 6127 level 2 in refrigeration and city and guilds 2078 refrigerant handling , apparently once i have taken the vetassess skills assessment i will be issued with a provisional licence so i can work on the tools under supervision , within this time i have to take a restricted wiring test and the oz version of the refrigerant handling . please can somebody confirm this or is there other tests i have to take , i have heard so many different accounts of this situation that its beginning to question my sanity , come on chaps give us a clue . ps regarding my time served i was never an apprentice i came through as a assistant and picked it up [ probably like a lot of us on here ] . regards , karl .

[chris96]

Hi,

I have all the answers you'll need.

Unfortunately for me and you level 2 is not sufficent as it needs to be equivelent to the aus level 3.
I passed TRA as a mechanical engineer (previous trade) but went with the intention of working in aircon, no one will employ you without the licences as a engineer, you'll be able to work as a mate but it'll be paying around 16K a yr.
I worked as a mature apprentice when i arrived with the intention of going to college to get the licences, i was quoted by Logan TAFE around $5000 each yr (2yr course) and block release t do this. also the company i worked for wanted me to get my own vac pump,reclaim and so on.
I'm going to do the level 3 now so i can go back - plenty of work for the licenced.
It's the restricted electrical you need along with a refrigerant licence.

* if they bring pathway D back as some people expect then you'll pass if you have over 8 yr's in the trade, but they might not. (Pathway D is the experianced route which was removed in around september)

see www.britishexpats.com for more insight.

Any questions feel free to ask, i've been through it only 4 months ago.

Chris

[chris96]

Sorry Karl, have you passed your skills assesment before pathway D was removed and are you on stage two skills assesment?


Chris

[absolute-zero]

Does, the same certs or similiar certs apply to the Transport Temperature Control engineers/techs?

I would assume that he refrigeration handling licence would apply.

But because refrigerant handling licence is or was introduced as a global treaty of, many nations, I wouldnt think it would matter where you got it, as long as it was per the treaty standards.

A-Z

[Kp3]

hi, my first post so take it easy on me. I've completed my nvq level 2 via an apprenticeship and done the electrical (british) cousre and have the certs. I've been in the trade 7yrs i know i will have to do the skill tests here in the uk and get the liecnse's when i get to oz.
I am expericed in vrv's/vrf's, splits, water chillers, co2 tanks, gylcol systems, commerical ref, demestic refs.
so i'm wondering were does this leave me with getting a job over there
regards adam

[chris96]

Australia does not recoganise our safe handling refrigerants licence.

Chris

[chris96]

Take from the migration new's, this will be interesting for people relying on experiance to migrate.

GOOD NEWS FOR TRADESPERSONS, Announcement on TRA Pathway in early 2008...

According to a recent news release from Trades Recognition Australia (TRA), an announcement will be made on TRA PATHWAY D early in the New Year. This may well be the good news that trades people have been waiting to hear.

The removal of Pathway D has had a big effect on trade applicants relying predominantly on work experience.

The latest TRA Bulletin, summer 2007 stated; “On 4th September TRA removed Pathway D from the Uniformed Assessment Criteria (UAC) until further notice.

Stay tuned for a further announcement about the future of Pathway D early in the New Year.”

[nedgus2]

Sorry Karl, have you passed your skills assesment before pathway D was removed and are you on stage two skills assesment?


Chris hi chris thanks for your input i am going through vetassess now , i didnt think there would be all these problems being a qualified refrigeration engineer , could do with talking to you about what you went through , it doesnt sound good . regards , karl.

[chris96]

Hi Karl

PM me your email address as i'm unable to Pm you to give you my phone number.

It is a pain but worth it........

Chris

[nedgus2]

Hi Karl

PM me your email address as i'm unable to Pm you to give you my phone number.

It is a pain but worth it........

Chris cheers chris email janehitch****209@btinternet.com

[nedgus2]

cheers chris email janehitch****209@btinternet.com
dont know what i did wrong the missing stars is **** , dont laugh .regards , karl.

[nedgus2]

dont know what i did wrong the missing stars is **** , dont laugh .regards , karl.
come on chris give us a clue , is there a direct way of doing this , regards . karl.

[chris96]

Click on my name, then Private messages, most forums won't let you put your email directly on the posts

Chris

[chris96]

Just been looking at the Vetassess website, it looks like they have relaxed the rules now, i'll have to research some more.

The Pathway is irrelevant now as that was for the TRA
I'll post as soon as i have the answers

[nedgus2]

Just been looking at the Vetassess website, it looks like they have relaxed the rules now, i'll have to research some more.

The Pathway is irrelevant now as that was for the TRA
I'll post as soon as i have the answers
hi chris i cant send a pm to you it doesnt come up when i click on your name , i think i can help you regarding vetassess . how can i get in touch with you with a personal message . [ not the best with computers ] regards , karl.

[FreezerGeezer]

Just a note; One of my mates working in Melbourne has told me that he's got to have a limited plumber's licence as wel las the eletrical & safe handling. As far as I know it's only in Victoria State that it's a requirement though.

I'm applying to VetAsses too at the moment, having finally been told categorically that even though I hold an HNC & am moving on a spouse visa, without the TRA I will not be allowed to work in Oz.

Oh well, there goes another wad of cash.

[FreezerGeezer]

Guys, you may find THIS (http://skillexpo.nga.net.au/fnt_jobs_list_filter.cfm?mode=skilledworker) useful?

[chris96]

I went to one of these last year in Australia house, london. Not much good, but it was a nice night out.
Gd to get information on removals, exchange companies and so on, found it was more aimed at people who work for rail companies, mining and that sort of stuff.

[FreezerGeezer]

Similar to the last one I went to then. However, the intersting thing I found was how many of these seemingly non-refrigeration co's were looking for A/C tech's. I had no idea of the set-up when I went, so had no CV's or anything, but I was still offered inteviews with a number of places - Queensland Roads Dept (I forget the proper name) for e.g.
One chap was the head of H.R. for a group of 3 companies. He had a list of required trades about 5 sheets of A4 long - althogh they were mainly railways, there were chiller & refrigeration techs, as well as porject engineers on the list. They also wanted sparkies - 200 grade A sparks for one project due to start last April in southern Queensland. His comment 'Where the hell am I going to find 200 grade A Electricians!?'. :D
The opportunities are there, you just need to dig in a bit. ;)

[chris96]

I was in australia last year and can safely say you don't need to look for a job over here in advance, the first day you'll start looking you'll have at least 5 offers.
Untold amounts of work for good licenced engineer's

A small but good agency is Recruit right, ask for leanne on 0431771565. She covers the whole of Australia.

[The MG Pony]

Well not to Aus but to Nz what is the view of Canadian certs there? As I'm wanting to move to Nz, got a place lined up to live but now just need a company willing, I'm basicaly getting my trades entry cert from http://www.bcit.ca/study/programs/2320ttcert

and been doing it as a hobby 4 years prior

In our system I'd be basicaly at a 2nd year aprentice level.

More then willing to move like I said even have a place to stay lined up in Auckland!

[FreezerGeezer]

I was in australia last year and can safely say you don't need to look for a job over here in advance, the first day you'll start looking you'll have at least 5 offers.
Untold amounts of work for good licenced engineer's

A small but good agency is Recruit right, ask for leanne on 0431771565. She covers the whole of Australia.

Yup. My in-laws took thier caravan outback a ways last year, & talking to the owners of the site they were on, found out that they wait about 2 years to get someone to go fit A/C! Sounds like an interesting opportunity for someone with a campervan & large trailer. ;)

[WCC73]

I got sponsered to work in Sydney in 1999.That position came about through the "seek" website.

I bottled going out there at the last minute as the thought of big city living and changing a pot in 40 degree heat up on a roof dosn't really appeal

[TEMPAIRE]

hi to paul z and all

any advice would be appriciated.

at present working the vettessess format to apply for visa me and my family hope to move to adelaide soon been in the industry for 21 years and worked on whatever jobs come along be it fridge or a/c notice a lot of experiance on this site but after working for myself for 10 years take things as they come (you are only as good as the information you have got with most up to date tech, so many fault codes.)
as said been on my own for a while and would have to find the right employment would like to be involved more in contracting ac side, sorry people but fridge work can be messy and starting out doing fridge as a trainee brings back memories oil and loads of it.
is adelaide a good place to aquire a/c work and where would you consider living to be able to commute with out peeing the new boss off, thats sounds weird boss.
would really welcome any advice from anyone not worried about hard work just the reality of moving so far with young family.
thankyou in advance.

[PaulZ]

Hi Tempaire Just saw youe post. There are a lot of A/C companies around. Check seek.com and careerone.com some may have advertised. Another way is Google Yellow pages, Adelaide and go to Air Conditioning, most have email addresses and make contact. I am not sure if there is a shortage of A/C mechanics but there is for commercial / industrial. As far as where to live I reckon most employers wouldn't mind if you were within 30 mins drive of their office but you would find they would give you jobs close to where you live anyway. A lot of these companies are not in Adelaide city but in the industrial suburbs about 30 mins out. Probably best to rent first (6 - 12 months) look around and ask the people you work with. There are a few rough suburbs as with any city. Paul

[TEMPAIRE]

thanks paulz for your reply i did spend 7 years working on climatic chambers (cascade) is this type of work available, i not really looking solely for fridge work ie coldrooms freezers etc. not that i cannot fix them but would find that a bit boring, have being installing fixing anything thats comes up really, thats life being self employed in uk but now want to become more prolific in certain applications, and ac i prefer more contact with the general public and when doing job searches it really does not go into detail to much as to what is expected, i know i am asking lots of questions but appreciate honest answers i want to come to australia to be able experiance your way of life and be a part of your society and really enjoy life do not expect it to be all roses but find in uk with our inclusion in ec have found it hard to work on sites where you just cannot comunicate with co workers and am to old to learn 10 differant languages, i am sure this problem with most people will smooth itself out in uk but i have to look forward for my family. one last subject paulz if you would be so kind is the licence set up i have read so many differant versions.
on looking at sa is this a route that complies.

all people apply to vetassess now in a/c & fridge but this outcome is only applicable for imigration acceptance once in australia you only have a provisional licence which is not worth the paper it is written on when trying out for work.
so am i right in saying for south australia you would have seek recognition of prior learning to obtain a recognised trade certificate. apply for a national refrigerant handling certificate (i hold a uk version)but am lead to believe this would have to be done again (no worries) apply for a national restricted electrical licence (i hold a uk version) but assume this has to be done again and am i right in saying to work a construction sites you need a green card also, is there any more surprizes. any information with respect to how long this would take ie the above would be received gratefully and how these can be booked in uk so i can come over and do them before my family arrives the problem i am sure with anyone is having a aus address to put in applications, i would not mind missing the children for 3 months do courses if this possible.

kind regards

[PaulZ]

Hi Tempaire I have posted a lot of links earlier in this thread. I know when we have employed engineers from South Africa and the UK it has taken up to 5 months to get them here. It is a drawn out process and can be expensive. I know they go through Trades Recognition Australia (TRA) to get their qualifications and licenses approved allowing them to work in Australia. I can check on this as we have just employed a South African engineer. Some of these guys come out on a 2 year work visa and apply for permanent residency during that time. Can't answer your question about Cascade work. Some of the bigger A/C companies in Adelaide that do industrial / commercial are Carrier, Trane, Fridgrite, Air Comfort Services, Sinclair Refrigeration and Butterfields. Hope this helps. Paul

[TEMPAIRE]

thanks paul

[techie]

GOD speed dude