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14-10-2010, 08:44 PM #1
Re: fm companies takein the p!
The people in the office don't get paid travel -so why do engineers?
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14-10-2010, 09:41 PM #2
Re: fm companies takein the p!
The days of being payed from the time you leave home till the time you get back home have now gone,
If you live close to the office - leave the company vehicle there overnight.
pick it up at your start time in the morning after your cup of tea in the office then drop it back at the end of the day.
Regards Bob
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14-10-2010, 09:53 PM #3
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14-10-2010, 10:06 PM #4
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14-10-2010, 10:12 PM #5
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14-10-2010, 09:50 PM #6
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14-10-2010, 11:57 PM #7
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15-10-2010, 06:54 AM #8
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15-10-2010, 07:12 AM #9
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15-10-2010, 08:24 AM #10
Re: fm companies takein the p!
May I explain.
Our office staff like many commute to work daily.
Unlike them my terms and conditions are such that. I am expected to operate from home.
I have to give 1hr a day travel time which used to be 2hrs. Changed because the more "mobile" engineers were being penalised monetarily compared to our local site based guys!
My travel time is unless I am on emergency call out
at flat rate. (out of hours weekends etc.)
Because like coolhibby I suspect we use the office as a central hub. Operating all over the South West,
Many times it suites both parties to respond via the most direct route from home.
We give our customers as immediate a response as is possible at any given hour. (4hrs max)
Even when we are not rostered to be on call!
So to have to commute to the office is neither cost effective or practical.
I personnaly live 50 miles from the office so fuel costs are relevant also.
We are also expected to provide a large proportion of the tools and equipment we use.
I would have issues if my own tools were left in my vehicle, sat on the company car park overnight.
The local "Nasties" would have a field day.
I understand that when you join a company it's terms and conditions are what you accept.
What this post is really about is the way that most of us certainly with the larger companies.
Are having terms and conditions changed without any say in the outcome.
I suspect that you could give a rational and sensible answer as to how any changes you may deem necessary within your company.
And I know I would respect them. But you are not part of a huge inverse pyramid!
(I say chaps! Why are the engineers walking around with dirty tabards on... But Sir, they get dirty because they wear them whilst they are working!)
The size and composition of the company is relevant.
But not all operate the same and if what was suggested (operating from the depot) became fact.
I suspect I would have to leave as my position would be compromised. I accepted a set of terms and conditions that were and at the moment still are acceptable.
1 size does not fit all and I agree with coolhibby. Anyone suggesting depot operation to "Us" is taking the piss!Last edited by Grizzly; 15-10-2010 at 08:28 AM.
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16-10-2010, 12:19 AM #11
Re: fm companies takein the p!
1hr seems reasonable. 2 maybe pushing it but I do like the sound of it I must admit
Because like coolhibby I suspect we use the office as a central hub. Operating all over the South West,
Many times it suites both parties to respond via the most direct route from home.
We give our customers as immediate a response as is possible at any given hour. (4hrs max)
Even when we are not rostered to be on call!
So to have to commute to the office is neither cost effective or practical.
I personally live 50 miles from the office so fuel costs are relevant also.
We are also expected to provide a large proportion of the tools and equipment we use.
I would have issues if my own tools were left in my vehicle, sat on the company car park overnight.
The local "Nasties" would have a field day.
I understand that when you join a company it's terms and conditions are what you accept.
What this post is really about is the way that most of us certainly with the larger companies.
Are having terms and conditions changed without any say in the outcome.
I suspect that you could give a rational and sensible answer as to how any changes you may deem necessary within your company.
Engineers, because of their isolated lives always believe
1 The company would fold without them
2 The boss sits in his office all day counting money
3 The office workers are rubbish and lazy
4 Any cut backs is always at the expense of the engineers and no one else.
5 They are the hardest working, best engineer the company has ever had the good fortune to employ
6 The boss is a complete idiot and would never rumble them fiddling their hours,mileage or the odd 10w fan motor for their local pub bar cooler etc
And I know I would respect them. But you are not part of a huge inverse pyramid!
The problem is that driving along they have plenty of time to tot up the hours they work and the travel and mileage and x it by the company going rate and convince themselves the company is raking in millions off their backs. It ain't so, believe me it really isn't
Example:
Big companies buy big maintenance contracts to stop smaller ones getting a look in.
Connaught were a prime example of a very large company losing millions. I bet the workers did not have a clue why the company lost so much money and ended up bust. They just see themselves working 50 hrs and it's obvious they must be raking it in. Sure the Boss had a big car but that's 100k and they went down for 220m !
(I say chaps! Why are the engineers walking around with dirty tabards on... But Sir, they get dirty because they wear them whilst they are working!)
The size and composition of the company is relevant.
But not all operate the same and if what was suggested (operating from the depot) became fact.
I suspect I would have to leave as my position would be compromised. I accepted a set of terms and conditions that were and at the moment still are acceptable.
1 size does not fit all and I agree with coolhibby. Anyone suggesting depot operation to "Us" is taking the piss!
Big companies can suffer from silly decisions made elsewhere aboard even and they can become unworkable or cause a mass migration of engineers. Sometimes these things are done to force that very thing to drive out the dross without redundancy pay. It's business and that's how business is and has to be run when times are tight...
Sadly we're not in the hi tech world with big money rolling in with little or no effort. The fridge game is a poorly paid thankless grind both for the boss and the workers..
When times are good bosses turn a blind eye to the excesses of staff because money is OK. For the last 13 years the 'workers' have had it easy. Living Gordon Browns miracle economy has made workers fat and lazy. I know most here will be up in arms but I refer you to number 5 above...
Sadly that gravy train has well and truly hit the buffers and the workers are starting to have a bit of a cold wake up call. The last time we were like this (late eighties early nineties) it was bad but we didn't have cheap labour willing to take up the slack, Now we have less work and more workers. It doesn't look good. This latest mob suggest the private sector will make up for the public sector job losses. Forgetting the private sector is shedding jobs at a faster rate
When things turn round like they have the boss has the upper hand he will make hay, when the next boom starts in a few years it will turn around again and you can claw back some of the lost ground. Till then hold on it's going to be a bumpy ride..
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24-10-2010, 11:58 AM #12
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14-11-2010, 10:16 PM #13
Re: fm companies takein the p!
Office workers lead a MUCH differant working lifestyle to mobile engineers, they work in a nice clean warm enviroment with acess to toilets,washing facilities and tea and coffee machines all day, work the same hours every week of the decade. In my opinion i start work the second the van key goes in the ignition in the morning and should be paid from then until that key gets removed for the last time when i return home at night(or the following morning).
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