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Thread: Double suction risers
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03-02-2007, 11:39 AM #1
Double suction risers
In case of a double suction riser with the possibility of a reduced capacity, many literature describes that the smallest tube is calculated for the smallest capacity and the biggest one for full capacity.
What's wrong with and is it even not better to calculate the smallest one for the smallest capacity but for full capacity taking both lines for the return of the gass?
So dividing the full flow over both lines so that both have optimal speed.
The more I go back to the basic, the more I see things which I doubt more and more.Last edited by Peter_1; 03-02-2007 at 12:17 PM.
It's better to keep your mouth shut and give the impression that you're stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
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03-02-2007, 11:48 AM #2
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03-02-2007, 12:25 PM #3
Re: Double suction risers
It's indeed done this way for proper oil return.
See page 11, typical arrangements under 2. http://www.heatcraftrpd.com/resource...s/H-IM-64L.pdfIt's better to keep your mouth shut and give the impression that you're stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
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03-02-2007, 05:07 PM #4
Re: Double suction risers
Originally Posted by Peter_1
When the load/capacity increases, the higher gas velocity pushes the oil out of the P trap and now you have gas and oil returning through both risers.
Since these are risers and primarily used for oil return, the total cross sectional area of both risers may be smaller than one line sized for low pressure loss.
You have to pay a penalty for using risers (single or dual), so it may be better to spend more time on where to place the equipment. But, I think you already know this.
Originally Posted by Peter_1
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03-02-2007, 05:18 PM #5
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03-02-2007, 05:21 PM #6
Re: Double suction risers
Originally Posted by Peter_1
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03-02-2007, 06:02 PM #7
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03-02-2007, 06:44 PM #8
Re: Double suction risers
Well Tazzy, it was in fact a question because I read it different in several publications( also in my old school books) from what I expected it should be.
It seems for me right sizing the smallest one for the smallest capacity but then at full load choosen in such a way that both lines have optimal speed for the proper oil return.
It's because I have to teach these in class next Tuesday and also in the course the pupils (is this the correct word) have, it's explained line A for minimum load and line B for max load.
So I want to tell it the right way.It's better to keep your mouth shut and give the impression that you're stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
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04-02-2007, 01:32 AM #9
Re: Double suction risers
Originally Posted by Peter_1
Also, it's important to note the volume of the trap in the large riser. The oil charge of the compressor has to be increased by a similar volume. On large traps, this may be an issue you have to deal with.
Using VFD's and risers would be an interesting experiment though.
Originally Posted by Peter_1Last edited by US Iceman; 04-02-2007 at 01:33 AM. Reason: edit quote
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04-02-2007, 05:33 PM #10
Re: Double suction risers
Just checked in Dossat book pg449 and states that "The small diameter riser is sized for the minimum load condition, whereas the combined capacity of the two pipes is designed for the maximum load condition." which agrees with what you think is right.
Cheers Jon
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06-02-2007, 02:29 PM #11