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    Question Air conditioning unit in small high-rise apartment



    Thinking of getting air conditioning for a flat abroad, where you can get 40 degrees in the summer and minus in the winter It's a small 2 bed apartment, 4 floors up. The unit would need to give out chilled air and heat. It's rented out occasionally to family and friends. I don't want the usual water output to a bucket on the balcony, as people, whoever well-intentioned, do forget to empty them, sometimes twice a day in the height of summer. Any thoughts?



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    Re: Air conditioning unit in small high-rise apartment

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    The height is not too much of an issue with the majority
    of the AC - Heatpumps on the market at the moment.

    As for the water can it be fed to a rain water down spout
    or do you have any potted plants nearby / Balcony flower bed
    that would take the drain water?

    Failing that a small pump would pump the water out of the
    way to the nearest drain point.

    Regards

    Rob

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    Re: Air conditioning unit in small high-rise apartment

    Thanks Rob, no downpipes, or flower beds. Is it possible to have the water output going out via a water output in the bathroom?

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    Re: Air conditioning unit in small high-rise apartment

    Also, is it feasible for one unit in the hall to circulate chiiled and heated air through to the other rooms please? It's a very small 2 bed apartment.

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    Re: Air conditioning unit in small high-rise apartment

    A condensate pump in/by the AC indoor unit will pump out the condensate via a 1/4" plastic hose, this hose could go in to a bathroom or kitchenette.
    One indoor unit for multiple rooms is generally a no go but if you are lucky you can get away with it if the layout of the rooms/doors is just right. Generally you would have the indoor unit in the most critical room blowing towards the doors to the other rooms.
    In my house I got one wall mounted indoor unit serving the whole hose but... I do have open stairs with the living room just below and 3 bedrooms with their doors of one wall on the upstairs landing. My AC unit is on the opposite wall to the doors and with a straight air path to the downstairs living room. It is not ideal but it just about works and each bedroom have individual temperature control (i.e. if you want cold/hot air in to your bedroom you leave the door open, if not you close the door). The AC itself is just looking at the temperature above the stairs so it is a compromise.


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    Re: Air conditioning unit in small high-rise apartment

    Quote Originally Posted by The Viking View Post
    A condensate pump in/by the AC indoor unit will pump out the condensate via a 1/4" plastic hose, this hose could go in to a bathroom or kitchenette.
    One indoor unit for multiple rooms is generally a no go but if you are lucky you can get away with it if the layout of the rooms/doors is just right. Generally you would have the indoor unit in the most critical room blowing towards the doors to the other rooms.
    In my house I got one wall mounted indoor unit serving the whole hose but... I do have open stairs with the living room just below and 3 bedrooms with their doors of one wall on the upstairs landing. My AC unit is on the opposite wall to the doors and with a straight air path to the downstairs living room. It is not ideal but it just about works and each bedroom have individual temperature control (i.e. if you want cold/hot air in to your bedroom you leave the door open, if not you close the door). The AC itself is just looking at the temperature above the stairs so it is a compromise.

    Thank you very much for this detailed answer. The small flat is all on one floor, so am hoping it will be okay.

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    Re: Air conditioning unit in small high-rise apartment

    Quote Originally Posted by -Chris- View Post
    Thank you very much for this detailed answer. The small flat is all on one floor, so am hoping it will be okay.
    As I said, it is all in the layout of your flat.
    If you have a room large enough to allow your AC unit to run without cycling ON/OFF all the time, if there is direct airflow to the other rooms.


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    Re: Air conditioning unit in small high-rise apartment

    I guess it would be a lot more expensive if it was cycling on and off all the time? As mentioned, it's to go in a hall.

    These units below have been suggested to me - bearing in mind that it's one unit to chill / heat a whole small 2 bed apartment, do any of these fit the bill please:

    Mitsubishi Electric Serie SF A++
    MSZ-SF-42-VEZ
    19DB
    Cooling-0,8.+0 4.5KW
    Heating-1,3 +0 6.0KW
    Cost. 1499.00€
    Including IVA and Installation.

    Mitsubishi Electric Serie SF A+
    MSZ-SF-50-VA
    22DB
    Cooling-1,3+0 5.0KW
    Heating-1,4 +0 6.5KW
    Cost. 1399.00€
    Including IVA and Installation

    Option A LG Inverter 1680€
    Nombre Producto: Aire Acondicionado 1x1 Lg P24ENSSK
    ID de Producto: P24ENSSK
    Fabricante: Lg
    Eficiencia Energética:
    Eficiencia estacional: /
    Coste consumo €/h: 0.125

    Option B Samsung Inverter 1690€
    Nombre Producto: Aire Acondicionado 1x1 Samsung F-H5418
    ID de Producto: F-H5418
    Fabricante: Samsung
    Eficiencia Energética:
    Eficiencia estacional: /
    Coste consumo €/h: 0.083

    Option C Panasonic Inverter 1940€
    Name Aire Acondicionado 1x1 Panasonic KIT-RE18-RKE
    ID de Producto: KIT-RE18-RKE
    Fabricante: Panasonic
    Eficiencia Energética:
    Eficiencia estacional: /
    Coste consumo €/h: 0.083

    Option D Mitsubishi Inverter 2140€
    Nombre Producto: Aire Acondicionado 1x1 Mitsubishi Electric MSZ-SF50VE2
    ID de Producto: MSZ-SF50VE2
    Fabricante: Mitsubishi Electric
    Eficiencia Energética:
    Eficiencia estacional: /
    Coste consumo €/h: 0.078

    Option E Fujitsu Inverter 1790€
    Nombre Producto: Aire Acondicionado 1x1 Fujitsu ASY50UILF
    ID de Producto: ASY50UILF
    Fabricante: Fujitsu
    Eficiencia Energética:
    Eficiencia estacional: /
    Coste consumo €/h: 0.084

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    Re: Air conditioning unit in small high-rise apartment

    If you can post your heat loss calculations for the flat then we can advise which system would be suitable.

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    Re: Air conditioning unit in small high-rise apartment

    Quote Originally Posted by frank View Post
    If you can post your heat loss calculations for the flat then we can advise which system would be suitable.
    How do I get those please?

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    Re: Air conditioning unit in small high-rise apartment

    Quote Originally Posted by -Chris- View Post
    How do I get those please?
    It takes years of training Chris....wasn't trying to be pedantic, but without the information on what your flat needs, we can't really give you a heads up on which option of equipment that you are asking us to advise on.

    Like you, we would be guessing.

    The best advice I can offer is for you to get a couple of quotes from local companies that have been established for a number of years. If they have a few years trading under their belt then more than likely, they know what they are talking about.

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    Re: Air conditioning unit in small high-rise apartment

    consider a ceiling cassette unit in the general living area that has a take off port to supply bedrooms . Under cut doors for return air.
    But you will need a ceiling cavity above for cassette and ducting.
    Last edited by Magoo; 30-11-2016 at 10:55 PM.

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    Re: Air conditioning unit in small high-rise apartment

    Quote Originally Posted by -Chris- View Post
    I guess it would be a lot more expensive if it was cycling on and off all the time? As mentioned, it's to go in a hall.

    These units below have been suggested to me - bearing in mind that it's one unit to chill / heat a whole small 2 bed apartment, do any of these fit the bill please:

    Mitsubishi Electric Serie SF A++
    MSZ-SF-42-VEZ
    19DB
    Cooling-0,8.+0 4.5KW
    Heating-1,3 +0 6.0KW
    Cost. 1499.00€
    Including IVA and Installation.

    Mitsubishi Electric Serie SF A+
    MSZ-SF-50-VA
    22DB
    Cooling-1,3+0 5.0KW
    Heating-1,4 +0 6.5KW
    Cost. 1399.00€
    Including IVA and Installation

    Option A LG Inverter 1680€
    Nombre Producto: Aire Acondicionado 1x1 Lg P24ENSSK
    ID de Producto: P24ENSSK
    Fabricante: Lg
    Eficiencia Energética:
    Eficiencia estacional: /
    Coste consumo €/h: 0.125

    Option B Samsung Inverter 1690€
    Nombre Producto: Aire Acondicionado 1x1 Samsung F-H5418
    ID de Producto: F-H5418
    Fabricante: Samsung
    Eficiencia Energética:
    Eficiencia estacional: /
    Coste consumo €/h: 0.083

    Option C Panasonic Inverter 1940€
    Name Aire Acondicionado 1x1 Panasonic KIT-RE18-RKE
    ID de Producto: KIT-RE18-RKE
    Fabricante: Panasonic
    Eficiencia Energética:
    Eficiencia estacional: /
    Coste consumo €/h: 0.083

    Option D Mitsubishi Inverter 2140€
    Nombre Producto: Aire Acondicionado 1x1 Mitsubishi Electric MSZ-SF50VE2
    ID de Producto: MSZ-SF50VE2
    Fabricante: Mitsubishi Electric
    Eficiencia Energética:
    Eficiencia estacional: /
    Coste consumo €/h: 0.078

    Option E Fujitsu Inverter 1790€
    Nombre Producto: Aire Acondicionado 1x1 Fujitsu ASY50UILF
    ID de Producto: ASY50UILF
    Fabricante: Fujitsu
    Eficiencia Energética:
    Eficiencia estacional: /
    Coste consumo €/h: 0.084
    Japanese only.

    one unit in the hall won't do a whole apartment

    whereabouts is this btw

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    Re: Air conditioning unit in small high-rise apartment

    Nice to see you Richard...
    How is the new venture going

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    Re: Air conditioning unit in small high-rise apartment

    In an apartment I go to in Spain they have similar setup. It just about copes and the unit is installed on the in the lounge/diner middle wall opposite the very small (1m squared) hallway that has both bedrooms and bathroom off from it. Air flow is directed towards this area and with the doors open the bedrooms have the edge taken off them. Usually a floor fan in the hall area helps to further increase the air flow into the bedrooms.

    On an evening though to get the bedrooms pleasant enough to sleep the set point has to be lowered in the lounge to the point it is actually cold to be in there, this allows enough cold air to get into the bedrooms.

    If this was being done properly again I have suggested to the apartment owner to get separate bedroom units on a multi outdoor.

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