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    Charging gas with recovery station ?



    Hi guys ( and girls ?)
    I have a stupid question to ask ... Is it possible to use a recovery station for charging gas in a system ?
    I await your answers...



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    Re: Charging gas with recovery station ?

    Pvl,
    Well maybe, is system running or off.
    It could transfer liquid quite easily, with system on or off.
    What are you trying to achieve exactly , as many scenarios.

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    Re: Charging gas with recovery station ?

    nothing in particular. I was wondering because I had a problem where I did not have enough pressure in a cylinder and system off. Does it work well and do not risk damaging the station ?

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    Re: Charging gas with recovery station ?

    Quote Originally Posted by pvl View Post
    Hi guys ( and girls ?)
    I have a stupid question to ask ... Is it possible to use a recovery station for charging gas in a system ?
    I await your answers...
    there is a special heating blanket for refrigerant bottles. Ask your refrigerant supplier.

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    Re: Charging gas with recovery station ?

    Quote Originally Posted by chemi-cool View Post
    there is a special heating blanket for refrigerant bottles. Ask your refrigerant supplier.
    I know... I just want to know the possibilities of a station apart from its main function, it may be useful

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    Re: Charging gas with recovery station ?

    Yes its possible, i have recovered refrigerant from a system to make repairs, then reversed the process to empty the recovery cylinder back into the system. You could charge new refrigerant the same way if needed.
    Mostly found in Oxfordshire, UK :)

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    Re: Charging gas with recovery station ?

    System repairs after recovery then system should have been evacuated, before re-charging. So dump charge back into high side. Alternatively if your recovery unit handles liquid use it to recharge repaired system in liquid phase. No short cuts.

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    Re: Charging gas with recovery station ?

    If you recharge via your recovery unit always fit a solid core drier in the charging hose line to remove any moisture ,acid , debris etc that may be in the old refrigerant , then you know the refrigerant is in a reasonable state for the plant to work with, as you cannot be sure what condition the recovery unit is inside if it has been used on bad systems

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    Re: Charging gas with recovery station ?

    Done it on car ac so it should work on anything

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    Re: Charging gas with recovery station ?

    thanks for your answers

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    Re: Charging gas with recovery station ?

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    Recovery machines don't care which way they push the refrigerant.
    From the system to the cylinder or from the cylinder to the system,
    makes no difference to the machine.

    Just make sure you know whether it will pump liquid, if the machine is
    less than 10 years old it should be capable of handling liquid. Make sure
    weigh the refrigerant and follow Glens advice above about fitting a small
    dryer in the line. For the cost of the dryer it is worth fitting one.

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    Re: Charging gas with recovery station ?

    Also be aware some machines cannot pump virgin gas .

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    Re: Charging gas with recovery station ?

    Quote Originally Posted by joe-ice View Post
    Also be aware some machines cannot pump virgin gas .
    Oh OK, why?

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    Re: Charging gas with recovery station ?

    I don't know of a machine that cannot pump virgin gas? and the drier is a must in both directions it will slow the process down maybe,but only by so little time you would not notice it good advice Rob.

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    Re: Charging gas with recovery station ?

    I seen a machine few years ago that was ruined from virgin gas,It relied on the oil in the gas to help with lubrication.When pumping virgin gas it washed the bearings dry.Think the machine was a stinger and the guys were using it to decant big cylinders.Probably isnt an issue with newer machines.

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    Re: Charging gas with recovery station ?

    Quote Originally Posted by joe-ice View Post
    I seen a machine few years ago that was ruined from virgin gas,It relied on the oil in the gas to help with lubrication.When pumping virgin gas it washed the bearings dry.Think the machine was a stinger and the guys were using it to decant big cylinders.Probably isnt an issue with newer machines.
    Refrigerant doesn't get near any bearings, only pistons and 2 valves.
    modern machines don't need any lubrication.

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    Re: Charging gas with recovery station ?

    Quote Originally Posted by joe-ice View Post
    I seen a machine few years ago that was ruined from virgin gas,It relied on the oil in the gas to help with lubrication.When pumping virgin gas it washed the bearings dry.Think the machine was a stinger and the guys were using it to decant big cylinders.Probably isnt an issue with newer machines.
    Ah now that is a valid point, but most new versions,
    less than ten years old are all oil free running now.

    It might have been an issue with the older machines
    but I'm sure it's not an issue now.

    I think

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    Re: Charging gas with recovery station ?

    I have a Refco recovery machine and it is oil free so does not harm by oil less refrigerant . But you have to be very carefull about what pressures the recovery unit can reach .

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    Re: Charging gas with recovery station ?

    check after recovering pressure versus temperature if no non-condensables were not evacuated together with the refrigerant. Seen it many times. in that case, recharge only liquid and let some liquid in the cilinder. The liquid then acts as a seal for the air because you then leave the not wanted air in the bottle.
    It's better to keep your mouth shut and give the impression that you're stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.

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