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    Hi guys,

    Anybody knows where I could find PH Chart and tables for different gaz. I have R22 and R12, but would need R401 and R410A etc.

    Thanks


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    Re: PH Chart and tables

    search "coolpack" software which can help you or EES also has the function.

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    Re: PH Chart and tables

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob45
    Hi guys,

    Anybody knows where I could find PH Chart and tables for different gaz. I have R22 and R12, but would need R401 and R410A etc.

    Thanks
    go here: http://refrigerants.dupont.com/Suva/...pdf/k10909.pdf

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    Thanks Wambat but I'm looking for PH chart and tables not PT tables.

    That I can get everywhere.

    I've been asking my suppliers for PH chart but nobody has them. They are suppose to ask there suppliers.

    But I would love to find it on the internet. Much faster when needed.
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    Re: PH Chart and tables

    Coolpack is the way to go.

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    Thanks LC I will look into it.
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    I found the best charts come from ARKEMA. Very friendly people. It took me mths to track them down. Unfortunately I only have printed copies. They include R12, R22, R410, R404a, R507. Give them a ring. They can help
    Last edited by dogma; 31-03-2006 at 03:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogma
    I found the best charts come from ARKEMA. Very friendly people. It took me mths to track them down. Unfortunately I only have printed copies. They include R12, R22, R410, R404a, R507. Give them a ring. They can help
    Thank Dogma,

    But where is ARKEMA, I live in Canada.
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    Re: PH Chart and tables

    you can get all the pressure enthalpy charts from here

    http://www.dupont.com/suva/emea/pdf/molier_r410a.pdf

    401A (MP39) here http://www.dupont.com/suva/emea/pdf/molier_suvamp39.pdf
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    Re: PH Chart and tables

    Quote Originally Posted by Deejey
    you can get all the pressure enthalpy charts from here

    http://www.dupont.com/suva/emea/pdf/molier_r410a.pdf

    401A (MP39) here http://www.dupont.com/suva/emea/pdf/molier_suvamp39.pdf

    Hey thanks Deejey, this is great

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    Re: PH Chart and tables

    ARKEMA is a global forane manufcturer based in the USA.

    unfortunately I don"t have their contact details on me. Google ARKEMA. They are the amalgamation of two companies in chemical engineering.




    Here you go.

    www.arkemagroup.com
    www.forane.com

    In Australia Phone 1300851777


    Hope this helps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogma
    ARKEMA is a global forane manufcturer based in the USA.

    unfortunately I don"t have their contact details on me. Google ARKEMA. They are the amalgamation of two companies in chemical engineering.




    Here you go.

    www.arkemagroup.com
    www.forane.com

    In Australia Phone 1300851777


    Hope this helps?

    Thanks Dogma

    It's funny, Dupont has the PH Chart on there site but no PH tables and Arkema has PH tables but no PH Chart
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    No probs bob.




    Thanks for the help on the other thread

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    Hi friends,

    Can you give me the details regarding where I can find Pressure & enthalpy chart for refrigerants R-600,R-32,R-125?

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    Re: PH Chart and tables

    Visit

    http://www.et.web.mek.dtu.dk/Coolpack/UK/

    Download the little programe and all the popular refrigerants have ph charts you can down load within, including the HCs.

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    Or click on the Database button above

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    Quote Originally Posted by cj.rajkumar
    Hi friends,

    Can you give me the details regarding where I can find Pressure & enthalpy chart for refrigerants R-600,R-32,R-125?
    Hi,

    Check these site, www.suva.dupont.ca and http://www.arkema-inc.com

    I've found PH chart and tables for many of the products they make but you have to search a bit. Like I believe Dupont has chart but only on the US site and table only on the European site. Funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob45 View Post
    Hi guys,

    Anybody knows where I could find PH Chart and tables for different gaz. I have R22 and R12, but would need R401 and R410A etc.

    Thanks
    Hi could u visit the suva refrigerants sites on the net. sure you will find something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob45 View Post
    Hi guys,

    Anybody knows where I could find PH Chart and tables for different gaz. I have R22 and R12, but would need R401 and R410A etc.

    Thanks


    go to the technisolve web site
    coolit.co.za
    and download the MollierChart program.
    over 100 refrigerants shown
    also has options for refrigeration cycles

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    Quote Originally Posted by nh3simman View Post
    go to the technisolve web site
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    and download the MollierChart program.
    over 100 refrigerants shown
    also has options for refrigeration cycles
    where do you download the program from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones View Post
    where do you download the program from?
    He's written the site address in his post and you have 'quoted' it in you reply.

    I'll spell it out here anyway....

    http://www.coolit.co.za

    Mind you, check the prices first - whoaaa
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    Re: PH Chart and tables

    The best source of information about refrigerants is NIST. They produce the definitive set of refrigerant property data that is even used by ASHRAE.

    DTU is a good alternative as pointed out by Lc_shi.

    You can also download a p-h diagram softare program from the coolit.co.za web site
    This draws the chart and reads the values at the cursor dynamically. It also plots 1-stage and 2-stage cycles. It currently supports over 100 refrigerants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nh3simman
    The best source of information about refrigerants is NIST. They produce the definitive set of refrigerant property data that is even used by ASHRAE.
    A new version of this program should be available in the next few weeks or so. Another benefit of this program is the ability to connect it to your own custom programs. That allows you to concentrate on your program, instead of the refrigerant properties.
    If all else fails, ask for help.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian_UK View Post
    Mind you, check the prices first - whoaaa
    Since you mention the prices, the Mollier program is FREE. I hope that's not too expensive?

    Maybe you didn't notice that the prices are listed in South African Randa. You guys would divide by about 10 for Euro. The MollierChart program costs e60. How many hours would you work for e60?

    Comment about links
    I hope this reply is not going to get me banned again! Andy saw fit to give me an infraction because I quoted my web site. What are the rules? I searched the conditions and find no rules about adding links. In addition, there are many links added by other people. If I suggest that someone goes to the NIST web site for the best source of refrigerant info, this is acceptable. However, if I suggest that someone can download a program from my web site this is not! Can someone explain this to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nh3simman View Post
    Comment about links
    I hope this reply is not going to get me banned again! Andy saw fit to give me an infraction because I quoted my web site. What are the rules? I searched the conditions and find no rules about adding links. In addition, there are many links added by other people. If I suggest that someone goes to the NIST web site for the best source of refrigerant info, this is acceptable. However, if I suggest that someone can download a program from my web site this is not! Can someone explain this to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nh3simman View Post
    Since you mention the prices, the Mollier program is FREE. I hope that's not too expensive?

    Maybe you didn't notice that the prices are listed in South African Randa. You guys would divide by about 10 for Euro. The MollierChart program costs e60. How many hours would you work for e60?

    Comment about links
    I hope this reply is not going to get me banned again! Andy saw fit to give me an infraction because I quoted my web site. What are the rules? I searched the conditions and find no rules about adding links. In addition, there are many links added by other people. If I suggest that someone goes to the NIST web site for the best source of refrigerant info, this is acceptable. However, if I suggest that someone can download a program from my web site this is not! Can someone explain this to me.
    Very nice, something good for free, but following your advice I post a link to that page what you say about this:

    Quote Originally Posted by lana View Post
    Hi there,
    The programmes are perfect BUT they are valid for a month and then you have to Pa.....yyyyyy . even the Mollier chart
    Cheers
    from thread

    http://www.refrigeration-engineer.co...2684#post62684

    seems something is wrong

    Speaking about your web site and stuff there, if you give address in your CP someone will discover it and probably give suggestion to other members here and that will not sounds like self advertising (maybe I am not right) but on this way....

    Stuff there is not free - you sell it (prices low/high are not in question) and that is advertising and you know that is not free.

    I am sorry if I sounds rude but if you think once more all about I believe you will agree with me.

    I must say I admire (I believe not only me) your contribution to our forum and this was small misunderstanding which will not repeat and I suggest for all of us simply to forget it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josip View Post
    Very nice, something good for free, but following your advice I post a link to that page what you say about this:



    from thread

    http://www.refrigeration-engineer.co...2684#post62684

    seems something is wrong

    Speaking about your web site and stuff there, if you give address in your CP someone will discover it and probably give suggestion to other members here and that will not sounds like self advertising (maybe I am not right) but on this way....

    Stuff there is not free - you sell it (prices low/high are not in question) and that is advertising and you know that is not free.

    I am sorry if I sounds rude but if you think once more all about I believe you will agree with me.

    I must say I admire (I believe not only me) your contribution to our forum and this was small misunderstanding which will not repeat and I suggest for all of us simply to forget it

    Best regards, Josip
    I apologise. It was a mistake to reference my site.

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    Dose this Have U.S unit (Btu PSIA Deg F)
    thanks

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    very good
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    Hey be-careful, Coolpack properties are wrong for the R22 refrigerant!
    Hope it might help!
    Cheers.

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    I want R407 c ph chart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veerpal Singh View Post
    I want R407 c ph chart.
    You posted here but did you read any of posts in this thread?

    http://tinyurl.com/3y9j4pu

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    Hi guys,

    Anybody knows where I could find PH Chart and tables for different gaz. I have R22 and R12, but would need R401 and R410A etc.

    Thanks
    Try ICEO or other refrigerant manufacturers like ici

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