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    IS IT CORRECT,
    The reheat coil of FAHU does not reduce the humidity, but increase the sensible load and maintaining the relative humidity by increasing the dry bulb. Same like slightly increasing the dew point temperature also.
    I don’t know whether my question is dumb, when increasing the dew point, increasing the possibility of condensing the water in side the air conditioned area and the chance to damage the chilled water insulation. Right now I am facing a humidity issues, it damaged entire 4 year old chilled water insulation and water is dripping everywhere. Location is island, high humid area. Maximum ambient will reach 52c and some time wet bulb will go above30c.
    During the first inspection, I found the FAHU Johnson controller FX15 setting is 80%RH and leaving temp set point24c. Re-stetted to 50%RH and 22c.we are going to replace the insulation.
    Your any valuable comments highly appreciated.

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    Re: humidity- damaged chilled water insulation

    The reheat coil does change the rh. The chilled water coil air off is supposed to be set for a condition that when reheated/ mixed the humidity is of the required rh level to maintain the conditioned space. water running everywhere is a sign of poor insulation or blocked drains if before the reheat or if after then poor insulation or reheat failure/ incorrect setting. The dewpoint of the equipment surfaces in tropical conditions can be quite high.

    Hope this helps but further information would be required for any more depth
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    Re: humidity- damaged chilled water insulation

    Thanks trash, yes today I have informed site technicians to record the RH level one week: And also planning to fix additional heater coil for the same FAHU to improve the RH level. Or else by fixing low static fan coil units it works only to decrease more humidity and not more cooling effect.

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    Post Re: humidity- damaged chilled water insulation

    Quote Originally Posted by moideen View Post
    IS IT CORRECT,
    The reheat coil of FAHU does not reduce the humidity, but increase the sensible load and maintaining the relative humidity by increasing the dry bulb. Same like slightly increasing the dew point temperature also.
    Yes, when you intoduce a reheat coil, the DBT increases. This can be well visualized if you imagine a pschyrometric chart. The point moves to the right (SENSIBLE HEATING). The RH is lowered, DBT is increased.


    Quote Originally Posted by moideen View Post
    I don’t know whether my question is dumb, when increasing the dew point, increasing the possibility of condensing the water in side the air conditioned area and the chance to damage the chilled water insulation. Right now I am facing a humidity issues, it damaged entire 4 year old chilled water insulation and water is dripping everywhere. Location is island, high humid area. Maximum ambient will reach 52c and some time wet bulb will go above30c.
    During the first inspection, I found the FAHU Johnson controller FX15 setting is 80%RH and leaving temp set point24c. Re-stetted to 50%RH and 22c.we are going to replace the insulation.
    Your any valuable comments highly appreciated.
    Moideen-dubai
    Dew point occours when DBT and WBT are same. So, basically you cannot increase the dew point, its the ambient temprature determining what the DPT is! The reason behing condensatin is two..
    1. Insulation thickness is not sufficient / damaged
    2. Outside air (ambient) happens to enter the conditioned space in high volume... This can cause condensation on the walls, ceilings etc...

    Its always suggested to keep the building in positive pressure to achive this. Is the building too old, may the theres too much of exhaust happening in the air system!

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    Re: humidity- damaged chilled water insulation

    Hi nevin,

    RH and absolute humidity is deferent terms. It cannot consider as single term. Yes when increase the temperature RH will maintain, but the same amount of moisture (absolute humidity) will remain after the reheating, I am talking about the dpt condition after the cooling coil. Recheck your chart, when increase the sensible heat, also increasing the dew point temperature.

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    Re: humidity- damaged chilled water insulation

    Yes, absolute humidity will remain the same, but RH will decrease!.
    To decrease absolute humidity, introduce cooling coils and make sure condensation occours at the coil!!.
    This will make both RH and absolute humidity to decrease, as in the case of an air conditioner.

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    I wasn't reffering to absolute humidity in any of my posts mentioned above,
    Hi nevin,

    RH and absolute humidity is deferent terms
    Where does this point come from??
    Last edited by nevinjohn; 30-04-2013 at 12:05 PM.

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    Re: humidity- damaged chilled water insulation

    In order to achieve 50% RH in the room, the air temperature leaving the coil needs to be about 11K/20F below the room temperature.

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    Re: humidity- damaged chilled water insulation

    Quote Originally Posted by moideen View Post
    Hi nevin,

    Yes when increase the temperature RH will maintain, but the same amount of moisture (absolute humidity) will remain after the reheating,.
    Wrong! When Dry Bulb Temperature (DBT) increases, with the help of a reheat coil,.. the RH goes down!

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    Re: humidity- damaged chilled water insulation

    Quote Originally Posted by nevinjohn View Post
    Wrong! When Dry Bulb Temperature (DBT) increases, with the help of a reheat coil,.. the RH goes down!
    hi nevin,RH will maintain, i mean it will comes down.but absolute humidity will be same. that why i said RH AND ABSOLUTE HUMIDITY IS DIFFERENT TERMS.

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    Re: humidity- damaged chilled water insulation

    Quote Originally Posted by moideen View Post
    hi nevin,RH will maintain, i mean it will comes down..
    What are you trying to say? RH will be same or it will come down? What was yor question?

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