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    EU to phase-down the use of F-gases, I wounder which ones??

    http://www.acr-news.com/news/news.asp?id=3668

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    Europe is hell bent on removal of R134A in auto's first and then probably followed by all other system's.
    Happened to be in Dean and Wood in Leatherhead a few weeks ago and they were talking about R134A and R410A being removed along with others.They had some sort of road show in Southampton and Watford promoting it. Reports of 80% reduction by 2030 but as with the older refrigerants they will try to bring this date down so could be looking at substantial reductions or bans by 2020.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gibbo View Post
    Rob

    Europe is hell bent on removal of R134A in auto's first and then probably followed by all other system's.
    Happened to be in Dean and Wood in Leatherhead a few weeks ago and they were talking about R134A and R410A being removed along with others.They had some sort of road show in Southampton and Watford promoting it. Reports of 80% reduction by 2030 but as with the older refrigerants they will try to bring this date down so could be looking at substantial reductions or bans by 2020.

    Quite a few refrigerant blends have 134a in them.

    As for 410A Daikin have announced they want to use
    the R32 in the 410 on its own.

    http://www.acr-news.com/news/news.asp?id=3017

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    Ps I just love the term "mildly flammable", I wonder if that's
    like being mildly pregnant or suffering from a mildly life threatening illness.

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    Mercedes/Daimler are in the middle of a legal battle with various EU courts over their refusal to stop using R134A in favour of R1234yf, R134A is now banned in all new auto a/c's. The Germans are concerned over the flamability of R1234yf in a head on collision.
    R1234yf is also listed as "mildly flamable"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gibbo View Post
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    Mercedes/Daimler are in the middle of a legal battle with various EU courts over their refusal to stop using R134A in favour of R1234yf, R134A is now banned in all new auto a/c's. The Germans are concerned over the flamability of R1234yf in a head on collision.
    R1234yf is also listed as "mildly flamable"

    Gibbo

    That makes me smile also, the fear of an head on collision

    A couple hundred grams of a mildly flammable substance in the front
    and 70 litres of extremely flammable in the back and they worry about
    the small amount in the front.

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    Hah ha too true Rob.
    But its also OK to fill Planes and Cars with Lithium Batteries. Some times all these green ideas stop you seeing the wood for the trees!!
    I love the smell of Ammonia in the morning!

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    Too many tree huggers for sure.

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    Mercedes concerns with R1234yf are more to do with the toxic Hydrogen Flouride gases given off when it burns

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    We're already being subjected to R32 here, by Daikin & Fujitsu.
    Although as yet no-one is stocking R32! There's a lot of concern in the industry about it, it does seem quite a lot nastier than most recent refrigerants.

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