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    Why Do They treat Us This Way ?



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    Ever had the feeling at work that your being pushed too hard, made to do more hours than you want & quite often more hours than is safe for you to do ?

    Yes! is the answer coming from every single one of you.

    You know what to expect if you put up a fuss & try to knock back a job – its not a nice situation to be in

    The fact remains that although we all enjoy a bit of overtime to bump up our money, we don’t want to kill ourselves doing so & in fact now days there really is no reason to do so, we just need to find a way to use current laws to our benefit without ending up facing a rollicking or worse still the boot either directly or indirectly.

    We all would like a decent work/life balance and we would have that if it were not for scrupulous managers, especially the ones that used to work beside you on the tools, there the worst, pretending to be your friend for years & then the chance arises for them to move into the office & wham they stab you all in the back taking away any long term perks you once had & this is all done just to prove themselves to their new buddies in the office where they feel the need to do something to gain acceptance as in effect they are the newbie now & all this is done at their old friends/colleagues expense.


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    One option to start with is have an engineer on night shift (some like nights) to cover calls or when an engineers call out week comes round they do the graveyard shift and have the daytime free...
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    i got a call out a few weeks ago sunday 3pm and got in monday 8pm, i did have a second man and the site was only 10 miles from home but then i went back to site 645am till wed 5pm 29hrs then 34hrs we had to sign disclaimers to say if we do over 48hrs and crash the trackered van the its our fault!

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    Quote Originally Posted by install monkey View Post
    i got a call out a few weeks ago sunday 3pm and got in monday 8pm, i did have a second man and the site was only 10 miles from home but then i went back to site 645am till wed 5pm 29hrs then 34hrs we had to sign disclaimers to say if we do over 48hrs and crash the trackered van the its our fault!
    How on earth is that legal?

    Thats like signing a disclaimer to say if the police ARU shoot you by mistaken identity, they can charge you for wasting police time and issue you with the bill for the time and cost.
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    Last edited by mikeref; 15-08-2011 at 01:57 AM. Reason: Could be worse.
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    If i had a boss like that, i'd walk out within 30 seconds. Check the air-con yourself you *#!@*$- loser!
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    Quote Originally Posted by install monkey View Post
    i got a call out a few weeks ago sunday 3pm and got in monday 8pm, i did have a second man and the site was only 10 miles from home but then i went back to site 645am till wed 5pm 29hrs then 34hrs we had to sign disclaimers to say if we do over 48hrs and crash the trackered van the its our fault!
    Quote Originally Posted by chilliwilly View Post
    How on earth is that legal?

    Thats like signing a disclaimer to say if the police ARU shoot you by mistaken identity, they can charge you for wasting police time and issue you with the bill for the time and cost.
    Gordan Bennet (or Ramsey)

    I'm with you here chilly - how is that legal ?

    + nice example - your too right

    reading that all I can say is I love all my past managers now they were wonderfull
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeref View Post
    If i had a boss like that, i'd walk out within 30 seconds. Check the air-con yourself you *#!@*$- loser!
    Absolutely Brilliant Mike

    As for just leaving - there's a lot of big strong lads in this game - dont think Mr Ramsey would last too long without a force set of teeth! somehow
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    Re: Why Do They treat Us This Way ?

    A good source for employers and employees http://www.employmentrights.ie/en/ NERA (national employment rights authority

    Monkey, piece on rest periods here http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en...king_week.html

    and employers responsibilities when driving http://www.hse.gov.uk/roadsafety/employers.htm. It should be noted that an employer cannot ask an employee to sign something that allows them to act unlawfully (... well they can, it may offer a feeling of control but not in the eyes of the coroners court) and ultimately no job is worth not going home to Mrs Monkey and the little monkeys.

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    Hi RSTC

    thanks for your help mate

    having chased up the training centre to try & recover my vat this morning

    I was informed that it is different in Ireland to UK

    & having checked, this is also the case with all laws, including employment laws

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    I happened to agree totally with attitude and methods of mr. Gordon Ramsay (BTW which is my idol in cooking same as chef Todd Mohr).
    If you don't like your profession and boss, change your job.
    I was like him when I was boss. Today, I am my own boss. To many ignorants and lazy peoples was on my back earning to much money for to little effect that I needed to pull them like horse all the time and do most of their tasks to get job done as it should be (and on time). I am tired of these workers with attitude that life is 8-8-8 and that all should be regulated by syndicate.
    If you prefer laid back life, chose another life, as shepherd or similar profession with such lifestyle.

    BTW, it is responsibility of boss to organise job in manner that he takes in account what is regulated by law which protects workers rights. But what about situations where is that impossible or uneconomical or else.

    Anyone watching Deadliest Catch, Ice Roads Trackers, Peletiers etc.....
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    Re: Why Do They treat Us This Way ?

    Quote Originally Posted by nike123 View Post
    If you don't like your profession and boss, change your job.
    I was like him when I was boss. Today, I am my own boss. To many ignorants and lazy peoples was on my back earning to much money for to little effect that I needed to pull them like horse all the time and do most of their tasks to get job done as it should bee and on time. I am tired of these workers with attitude that life is 8-8-8 and that all should be regulated by syndicate.
    If you prefer laid back life, chose another life, as shepherd or simmilar profession with such lifestyle.

    BTW, it is responsibility of boss to organise job in manner that he takes in account what is regulated by law which protects workers rights. But what about situations where is that impossible or uneconomical or else.

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    Good evening Nike

    Why should anyone change there trade when we have rules and regs to protect us from managers, that are really just taking the pee!

    I dont look for laid back life, just a good work life balance which is how its supposed to be here in the uk

    When (quite often for most here) you have done 10+ hours + 2-4hours travel, why would you want to take another job that day unless your just chasing the £/$.

    I'm sure your agree once you have done these sort of hours its home time, is it not ?

    And the hours 'install monkey' is being forced to do, is nothing short of out right dangerous

    The point you make about the boss organising work is correct but it should be done fairly

    Lets say 'install monkey' had crashed and killed himself or someone else whilst driving after doing those hours.

    His boss would be serving at least 5 years under a recent law brought in over here

    Corperate Manslaughter

    No one i know in the trade wants an easy life or expects one

    What we would like though is to be treated fairly, with a bit of concideration & not treated like mechanical robots

    Fair comment mate ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chillerman2006 View Post

    Fair comment mate ?
    I agree, fair comment.

    I did not said that anyone should change trade. I only said that it should change company (and boss).

    What about:
    You need to go on service call 3,5 hours of driving to site and 3,5 hours back. You came to site, open your lunch box and take your lunch pause. Than you say hello to customer and tell him that you need to drive 3,5 hours back and your working day is finished as stated by law? (i know it is little exaggerated but it illustrate my point)
    Would you ask him to sign your working order?
    Would you ask from your boss to rent room and rest since you cannot get home in working hours if you start your service job? You still wont be with your dearest that day?
    How many driving hours you call fair?
    Could you give some economic solution for above situation and in same time that you are not working more than 8 hours per day/40 hours per week and, in same time, that that solution is satisfactory to your customer?
    Would you be satisfied with salary of same amount as some clerk in state job for that 40 hours per week "no matter what"?

    We tried it here in Croatia for 50 years of socialism. It appear that that doesn't work since peoples are driven by natural laws and not for general prosperity.

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    Nothing personal my dear friend. It is not addressed to you or anybody else here. Just another point of view.
    Maybe I should use other pronoun instead of "you"?

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    Evening Mate

    My mistake

    I miss-understood profession as trade/job/etc

    Thought you meant we should all re-train, haha

    should have known better

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    Quote Originally Posted by nike123 View Post
    I agree, fair comment.


    What about:
    You need to go on service call 3,5 hours of driving to site and 3,5 hours back. You came to site, open your lunch box and take your lunch pause. Than you say hello to customer and tell him that you need to drive 3,5 hours back and your working day is finished as stated by law? (i know it is little exaggerated but it illustrate my point)
    Would you ask him to sign your working order?
    Would you ask from your boss to rent room and rest since you cannot get home in working hours if you start your service job? You still wont be with your dearest that day?
    How many driving hours you call fair?
    Could you give some economic solution for above situation and in same time that you are not working more than 8 hours per day/40 hours per week and, in same time, that that solution is satisfactory to your customer?
    Would you be satisfied with salary of same amount as some clerk in state job for that 40 hours per week "no matter what"?

    We tried it here in Croatia for 50 years of socialism. It appear that that doesn't work since peoples are driven by natural laws and not for general prosperity.

    P.S.
    Nothing personal my dear friend. It is not addressed to you or anybody else here. Just another point of view.
    Maybe I should use other pronoun instead of "you"?
    Your ok mate - I dont take it as me personally

    To sum up an answer for your questions,

    I expect to be availble for 16 hours a day

    including work & travel

    I will do that for 2 days on the bounce - no quibble

    next day I expect to do max 12 - so I can catch up on some sleep

    and then I'll do 2 more days of 16 hours

    Its all about give and take - give what you can

    then time to rest

    I dont drink (no more) maybe once in a blue moon

    The only thing I do weekdays is work or RE (or as mad would say "get a bl*w job of the mrs)

    Then weekends are normally free for work aswell unless I have done too many hours already

    And every 2-3 weeks on a sunday I do motocross

    So I do play fair - I am nearly always available for work
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    sorry guys for hogging all the work but unfortunatly im a workaholic! and when getting home to watch mrs monkey watching soaps till 10pm and the lil monkeys tapping me up for £60 trainers and designer clothes im quite happy to skive at work unfortunatly the tax man wants me to do a 60hr week too.any consilation i had me first weekend off,and replaced me 3.5kw fujitsu wall mount for a daikin wall mtd inverter.
    gotta go bed now as im up at 5am to go sunderland and north tyneside! overtime!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by install monkey View Post
    sorry guys for hogging all the work but unfortunatly im a workaholic! and when getting home to watch mrs monkey watching soaps till 10pm and the lil monkeys tapping me up for £60 trainers and designer clothes im quite happy to skive at work unfortunatly the tax man wants me to do a 60hr week too.any consilation i had me first weekend off,and replaced me 3.5kw fujitsu wall mount for a daikin wall mtd inverter.
    gotta go bed now as im up at 5am to go sunderland and north tyneside! overtime!!!!!
    Well I am sure mrs monkey & liitle monkeys enjoy your fat wallet, mate
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    oh yes! they can spend it quicker than i can earn it!!i go to work and come home and me lounge is repainted,wall papered ! oh and she cant nag me whilst im at work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nike123 View Post
    I agree, fair comment.

    I did not said that anyone should change trade. I only said that it should change company (and boss).

    What about:
    You need to go on service call 3,5 hours of driving to site and 3,5 hours back. You came to site, open your lunch box and take your lunch pause. Than you say hello to customer and tell him that you need to drive 3,5 hours back and your working day is finished as stated by law? (i know it is little exaggerated but it illustrate my point)
    Would you ask him to sign your working order?
    Would you ask from your boss to rent room and rest since you cannot get home in working hours if you start your service job? You still wont be with your dearest that day?
    How many driving hours you call fair?
    Could you give some economic solution for above situation and in same time that you are not working more than 8 hours per day/40 hours per week and, in same time, that that solution is satisfactory to your customer?
    Would you be satisfied with salary of same amount as some clerk in state job for that 40 hours per week "no matter what"?

    We tried it here in Croatia for 50 years of socialism. It appear that that doesn't work since peoples are driven by natural laws and not for general prosperity.

    P.S.
    Nothing personal my dear friend. It is not addressed to you or anybody else here. Just another point of view.
    Maybe I should use other pronoun instead of "you"?
    Our old manager used to phone us up the day before a call like that came in and ask us if we could do the call. Most of the time we didn't have a problem with it, but sometimes due to other commitments with family or elsewhere, it couldn't be done. So enquiries would be made to a subbie. If you had already done well over your working hours, you would ask them to book you in some digs nearby to the job, but they wouldn't do it for some reason.

    They would expect you to drive home for around three hours and then be on the road the next day at about 05:30 or before to drive to the same town or nearby it?. I used to do a 20 hour shift when I first started at least twice a week, because I felt appreciated for it. But one day I was on the road the next day at 04:00 to get on a site for 07:30. On the way back I fell asleep twice and had a near miss everytime. So now I will only do between a 8-12 hour day at the most, because life's just too precious and too short. And I haven't felt appreciated since the other manager took over so I just do it for my own interest as when it suits me because tommorows another day. Plus I have a handfull of my own customers to look after as and when they need attention, but only when I can fit them in.

    In the UK a lorrie driver can only drive for ten hours a day with plenty of breaks spread across the day. We as road men and women can drive as much as we like. Then we have to graft as well when we've arrived. I have heard that the government are considering restricting driving hours for this kind of work. And if they do it will be a kick in the b0ll0cks for the company and their operatives.

    At the end of the day your only going to work as hard as you feel like doing, not as hard as your told to and we all know how hard we can work or feel like working. If a company has dead wood amongst its trees, then there are ways to remove it. And by that I don't mean that somebody who only does an 8 hour day is dead wood. One of the engineers where I work works a 7 day a week and earns over 6k a month, but many recalls follow him. Another does a 40 hour week and earns 2.2k a month and can clear his calls with no recalls. But the manager still expects him to do more, despite averaging 5 calls a day and averaging 300 miles driving.

    If a customer expects service 24 7, then the company has to find someone who is willing to do them kind of hours, but to expect all the workforce to do them is expecting too much. But whoever does do them kind of hours won't be able to guarantee 100% all the time due to human nature and lifestyle commitments. And if the contract is lost, whichever company takes over it will have the same problem due to the same reasons.

    I often wonder why they agree to a 4 hour response instead of a straight forward 24 hour response, when they know they're edging their bets and risking penalties. They might consider changing their direction when offering such a response by making sure that they have someone available to do the call. Then at least they can offer two charge tarrifs, a normal 24 hour @x ££+, or a four hour response @x £££+ with an incentive bonus for whoever responds to the call if they can or want to. But make sure that there's someone available before they commit themselves to responding to the call, and lower the risk of any penalties or forcing people to work for longer than they feel like doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chilliwilly View Post
    Our old manager used to phone us up the day before a call like that came in and ask us if we could do the call. Most of the time we didn't have a problem with it, but sometimes due to other commitments with family or elsewhere, it couldn't be done. So enquiries would be made to a subbie. If you had already done well over your working hours, you would ask them to book you in some digs nearby to the job, but they wouldn't do it for some reason.

    They would expect you to drive home for around three hours and then be on the road the next day at about 05:30 or before to drive to the same town or nearby it?. I used to do a 20 hour shift when I first started at least twice a week, because I felt appreciated for it. But one day I was on the road the next day at 04:00 to get on a site for 07:30. On the way back I fell asleep twice and had a near miss everytime. So now I will only do between a 8-12 hour day at the most, because life's just too precious and too short. And I haven't felt appreciated since the other manager took over so I just do it for my own interest as when it suits me because tommorows another day. Plus I have a handfull of my own customers to look after as and when they need attention, but only when I can fit them in.

    In the UK a lorrie driver can only drive for ten hours a day with plenty of breaks spread across the day. We as road men and women can drive as much as we like. Then we have to graft as well when we've arrived. I have heard that the government are considering restricting driving hours for this kind of work. And if they do it will be a kick in the b0ll0cks for the company and their operatives.

    At the end of the day your only going to work as hard as you feel like doing, not as hard as your told to and we all know how hard we can work or feel like working. If a company has dead wood amongst its trees, then there are ways to remove it. And by that I don't mean that somebody who only does an 8 hour day is dead wood. One of the engineers where I work works a 7 day a week and earns over 6k a month, but many recalls follow him. Another does a 40 hour week and earns 2.2k a month and can clear his calls with no recalls. But the manager still expects him to do more, despite averaging 5 calls a day and averaging 300 miles driving.

    If a customer expects service 24 7, then the company has to find someone who is willing to do them kind of hours, but to expect all the workforce to do them is expecting too much. But whoever does do them kind of hours won't be able to guarantee 100% all the time due to human nature and lifestyle commitments. And if the contract is lost, whichever company takes over it will have the same problem due to the same reasons.

    I often wonder why they agree to a 4 hour response instead of a straight forward 24 hour response, when they know they're edging their bets and risking penalties. They might consider changing their direction when offering such a response by making sure that they have someone available to do the call. Then at least they can offer two charge tarrifs, a normal 24 hour @x ££+, or a four hour response @x £££+ with an incentive bonus for whoever responds to the call if they can or want to. But make sure that there's someone available before they commit themselves to responding to the call, and lower the risk of any penalties or forcing people to work for longer than they feel like doing.
    Evening Chilly

    Some real good points there mate, lots are viewing, hope managers are taking note, as this is not about us and them but getting the job done, keeping contracts and being fair with engineers & not killing them

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    Quote Originally Posted by chilliwilly View Post
    In the UK a lorrie driver can only drive for ten hours a day with plenty of breaks spread across the day.
    Interesting thread this one, can't complain myself so am just reading.

    The above from ChillyWilly was, I thought years ago, for the good of the drivers - WRONG.
    It was brought in across Europe to improve business competition, supposedly, at the time, to stop the "drive all hours" firms getting all of the business.
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    have done the hrs an the crap jobs always got the call to pop in on way home and most of the time i did all managers the same treat you like crap even when you bend over an kiss your own arse dont do it no more you never get appreciated they only remember when you let them down so if i want to do it i do if not i go home works for me lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by simon@parker View Post
    have done the hrs an the crap jobs always got the call to pop in on way home and most of the time i did all managers the same treat you like crap even when you bend over an kiss your own arse dont do it no more you never get appreciated they only remember when you let them down so if i want to do it i do if not i go home works for me lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by nike123 View Post
    I happened to agree totally with attitude and methods of mr. Gordon Ramsay (BTW which is my idol in cooking same as chef Todd Mohr).
    If you don't like your profession and boss, change your job.
    I was like him when I was boss. Today, I am my own boss. To many ignorants and lazy peoples was on my back earning to much money for to little effect that I needed to pull them like horse all the time and do most of their tasks to get job done as it should be (and on time). I am tired of these workers with attitude that life is 8-8-8 and that all should be regulated by syndicate.
    If you prefer laid back life, chose another life, as shepherd or similar profession with such lifestyle.

    BTW, it is responsibility of boss to organise job in manner that he takes in account what is regulated by law which protects workers rights. But what about situations where is that impossible or uneconomical or else.

    Anyone watching Deadliest Catch, Ice Roads Trackers, Peletiers etc.....
    Hey nike, maybe you mis-understood the comical aspect of the video i found?? It was the only one that had a reference to our trade. Mr. Ramsey is one highly strung professional and he delivers on his promise to turn failing restaurants around. My point really, was (1), management should treat their staff with respect if they want long term loyalty and productivity from them, which Gordon does not show, and (2), if an employee is competent but chooses to be lazy, then expect your boss to come down hard as he expects results for his money... BTW "Deadliest catch" series is a good example of how everyone onboard must work in together. Rest in peace captain Phil Harris...http://captainphilharris.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeref View Post
    Mr. Ramsey is one highly strung professional and he delivers on his promise to turn failing restaurants around. My point really, was (1), management should treat their staff with respect if they want long term loyalty and productivity from them, which Gordon does not show, and (2), if an employee is competent but chooses to be lazy, then expect your boss to come down hard as he expects results for his money... BTW "Deadliest catch" series is a good example of how everyone onboard must work in together. Rest in peace captain Phil Harris...http://captainphilharris.com/
    Morning Mike

    Have seen most of Kitchen Nightmares (+K N USA), its quite shocking & funny at the same time, & yes he can turn a restaurant around, his tactics would not work in this game though I doubt.

    Also used to watch D C & Mrs was quite upset when Captain Phil departed

    They certainly earn their money them boys, I couldn't do it, thats for sure
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    hi chillerman there all devils lmao have spent some time now lookin for the qwon ( check out the film jerry maguire ) and i havent found it which leads to my next line you want me to do it show me the money and anything is possible but no money no superman lol does tend to make them quite pissey though as they dont wanna pay ya so i conclude you want fridge gods who make miracles happen you best have very deep pockets and be prepared to share the wealth if not you get mr average who does wot you pay him for dont get mad get a life lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by chillerman2006 View Post
    Morning Mike

    Have seen most of Kitchen Nightmares (+K N USA), its quite shocking & funny at the same time, & yes he can turn a restaurant around, his tactics would not work in this game though I doubt.
    Ramsy is a workplace bully.

    What he done it that video is a criminal offense in Australia, the penalty can be jail time and massive fines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AUScooler:-) View Post
    Ramsy is a workplace bully.

    What he done it that video is a criminal offense in Australia, the penalty can be jail time and massive fines.
    Hi AUScooler,

    your 100%, it's the same here mate,

    think there is a good chance that most of his outbursts are staged some how, dont you ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simon@parker View Post
    hi chillerman there all devils lmao have spent some time now lookin for the qwon ( check out the film jerry maguire ) and i havent found it which leads to my next line you want me to do it show me the money and anything is possible but no money no superman lol does tend to make them quite pissey though as they dont wanna pay ya so i conclude you want fridge gods who make miracles happen you best have very deep pockets and be prepared to share the wealth if not you get mr average who does wot you pay him for dont get mad get a life lol
    Hi simon

    I did once, find the one, really nice fella, could get you to do anything, would drop what ever I was doing & perform cartwheels for him, the perfect manager

    & what happened

    the 'bean counters' (his words) drove him out, even though between us our projects were totting up massive gross's averaging £1.5m per annum

    & why

    Cause he was treating me fairly & paying me well

    But hey, thats big corperations for you, they dont care whats coming in £wise as long as they get to keep it all!
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    hi chillerman
    thats basically wot it always comes down to is greed
    Last edited by simon@parker; 05-10-2011 at 07:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simon@parker View Post
    hi chillerman
    thats basically wot it always comes down to is greed they want more profit and more work for no more outlay on engineers money and when a recession comes along all of a sudden yr payrise for year is scrapped yr asked to get units in bit quicker an do it with less equipment and reminded that times are tough and lots of guys are lookin for jobs saw it in last recession same is happening again to be honest am now lookin for contract work abroad grass may not be greener but money will be better i can do 5 yrs then retrain to be a complete prick and break into management lmfao
    hello mate

    That ole flannel, if your still doing the work, then there still earning the money, recession or not, makes sense dont it. I've seen it all & think the best to work for are smaller firms where the owner still keeps a hand on the day to day running, smaller firms only thrive if they look after their team & if they have been going a while, speaks volumes

    Gonna retrain after - nearly pmsl @that 1
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    Quote Originally Posted by simon@parker View Post
    hi chillerman
    thats basically wot it always comes down to is greed they want more profit and more work for no more outlay on engineers money and when a recession comes along all of a sudden yr payrise for year is scrapped yr asked to get units in bit quicker an do it with less equipment and reminded that times are tough and lots of guys are lookin for jobs saw it in last recession same is happening again to be honest am now lookin for contract work abroad grass may not be greener but money will be better i can do 5 yrs then retrain to be a complete prick and break into management lmfao
    Ha ha nice one simon, stay on the tools its much cleaner and more honest, I wonder how long it would take to train to be a total prick with a poor attitude? and would an exam need to sat? I suppose you could show them the knife that you will use to stab everyone in the back with and get the job? Ha ha.


    Digressing slightly

    I've looked at working abroad on contracts for years, but they seem just to want supervisors to keep their eye on workers from banana republics. But not to actually get your tools out. I was chasing a job in Yanbu out in Saudi back in the early nineties as a maintenance electrician in the hospital. All the other jobs were just supervisory positions, but I didn't get it anyway. They had chose a sparky who had worked at the Harley Street clinic for 4 years as they thought he was more suited to it, but all he had actually done was go round the hospital and tick boxes on sheets and phone contractors to come in to sort out any problems.

    To cut a long story short I heard that nobody lasted more than 6 months, as their definition of an electrician was somebody who new every speciality areas of electrical engineering. As we all know such a person doesn't exist without having weaknesses in more than one area. I think they went back to facilities type engineers each having their own area of speciality, with other strengths and weaknesses in other related areas.

    So it would seem that the management even out there learn by their mistakes even when they have been told that their making one before they make it. Fancy expecting one person to know the full spectrum of one trade that varies from one type of skill to another. From changing light bulbs to repairing gennies and components on pcbs. The money wasn't actually much better than working in the UK but it was tax free. And they expected you to work 5-7 days a week with no general working start and finish times.
    Training may be finished but experience is never complete.

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    If the World did not Suck, We would all fall off !

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    its my sense of humour that keeps me sane and also stops me rising up the ladder lmao worked on most things even done transport not that i can fix most things lol and i hated transport refrig keep smilin guys it gets better eventually so i am told lol
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    This forum reminds me of my favourite piece of advice for the budding supervisory manager
    1min 13sec: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8tb35QLeFA

    "those who want respect... give respect"

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSTC View Post

    "those who want respect... give respect"
    Morning RSTC

    Haha! thats what happens when you start in the game, you do respect them, & then after years of **ite, you loose any that you did have, apart from a few who still warrant respect & there are very few ! Within a decade you know most are the same & you should know that from all them years as a service engineer, Mate

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    @Chillerman, I was thinking of that from the other point of view, if y'all want respect (eg from your service staff)... etc.

    I suppose it's a double edged sword really. I wonder do some people see it as a show of weakness? @mikeref's youtube clip, sure makes for good watching but I don't see that crap ever working, it certainly wouldn't work for me (and I'm sure it was hammed up for the telly)

    To answer the question posed in the forum title... because they can!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSTC View Post
    @Chillerman, I was thinking of that from the other point of view, if y'all want respect (eg from your service staff)... etc.
    because they can!
    Hi RSTC

    I knew what you meant bud, the managers need to show some respect before thet get some as all are tared with same brush, from previous dictators

    'because they can' Thats the answer i have been looking for from the start

    you have passed with flying colours you may leave the class now, keep the noise down though as some still have not finished
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian_UK View Post
    Interesting thread this one, can't complain myself so am just reading.

    .
    Just reading Huh!

    You have already kicked our buts

    At least we know now 'why do they treat us this way'

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    have fun doin yr job
    ignore the idiots
    and get home at a decent time
    makes a difference
    and keeps yr misses/kids happy
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    Quote Originally Posted by simon@parker View Post
    (bet there misses wears trousers at home ) they go to work and want to feel impotent so they act impotent ( spot the spelling mistake ) lol
    have fun doin yr job
    ignore the idiots
    and get home at a decent time
    makes a difference
    and keeps yr misses/kids happy
    Yeah, 'spot the spelling mistake' classic

    No wonder mrs wearing trousers

    Would advise a Visit to the doctor's & blue pills to get them trousers back !

    Hope your boss don't see this - I can guess your answer to that - ******** **** *** ****

    Certainly brightened up the day, Mate
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    lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian_UK View Post
    Interesting thread this one, can't complain myself so am just reading.
    Argh ! when you first post this Brian was thinking you been lucky with your boss's
    Regards Chillerman
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    Its all down to how much s**t you are willing to take, the worst one i,ve had is after doing 26 hrs straight, 4 hrs later my manager (should called) rang and said if i didn't come back to work in the afternoon i would not get paid for the day. So i asked niceley for her to put that in writing, then said then if that is going to happen you should look up employment law and rest periods. I did get paid and all over time, and for the next day sleeping.

    Same company i got rear ended in work hours about 2 hrs drive away from home, quiet bad got whiplash, got back with about 10 iburefen in my blood, went to hospitial confirmed whiplash rang work saying id come to work if they kept me local as i was in pain ( the company didnt pay sick pay ) so they sent me on jobs that totted up to 250 miles that day. Nice of them.

    Glad to say i now work for a good company if there is another job in they actually ask if it you can do it ( not that i say no as im a sucker for the OT ) but if you say no they accept it with no hard feelings.

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