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    If we all lived in Flatland (2D), we'd find it difficult to understand the real world (3D, or more?)...


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    Which proves what?

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    Which proves what?
    A bit like the painting trying to figure out what makes the artist tick.
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    The reason we were not on the moon 400 years later in 400 AD is because cumilatively not enough knowledge had been aquired by mankind to achieve that feat.
    We shouldn't really discuss religion on these discussion boards unless there is a forum zone especially dedicated to it.

    But the Christians closed down all the schools of science and burned most of the works. The Library at Alexandria was burned down by Christians. See the film "Agora" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbuEhwselE0 Or read the many books I have from my personal philosophy library worth over £3000.00

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    On average lets say for arguments sake that "original" thinkers whose ideas have a profound and life changing effects on the human race only 10 are born every century.
    The word revolution comes from Copernicus's book about the revolutions of the planets - he proposed different from Christian dogma - he proposed that the planets orbited the sun and not all around earth - that was the moment when western civilisation was jolted back in line with the Greeks. Then the books by Sextus Empiricus were set free from being hidden in vaults in Constantinople - the Christians had hid them there until the Muslims got hold of gun powder and cannons which meant they were finally able to penetrate the walls of Constantinople. These books then were brought to Europe by escaping Christians who were intercepted by folks in the various towns they traveled who took the books and translated them and KABOOM the lid on the nonsense that was Christian Dogma was released and truth sprang forth everywhere.

    It then took Europe 100 years to study these books and catch up with the Greeks and then about 400 years to get to the space age. The Greeks would not have needed 100 years to catch up with themselves.

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    So through the ages it took only approx a couple of thousand original thinkers to put us on the moon.
    Nope just a few key thinkers like Galileo and Newton.

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    And then you have the innovators who take advantage of these original ideas and so on so its all a team effort and of course conditions and the motivation has to be there in the first place.
    Technology develops at exponential rates - the Greeks were on the verge of a technological explosion.

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    Evolution is all about diversifying, splitting into different species, we are now Homo Sapiens, what are we go to split into?
    2 different human species...is it happening now?...now theres a thought!
    There has to be isolation of one group from another or there has to be a global catastrophe.
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    Des, we must not talk religion

    I can share some philosophical points with you though. They are employed as counterfactuals against religious dogma but they are philosophical in nature rather than religious.
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    Gary has shared one which John Stuart Mill made famous and then too Bertrand Russel which is that if the universe could not just be on its own accord then so too nor could a god. And if God does creates creatures then why do we not see a new species just pop into life randomly here there and everywhere in front of our eyes? It makes more sense that life evolves slowly.

    The infinit regress argument - what made God and what made that which made god etc was well established too by Greek philosophy - Sextus Empiricus before 200AD said "Nor yet by way of something unclear. For the unclear item which is to prove that there are gods is in need of proof: if it is said to be proved by way of something clear, it will no longer be unclear but clear. Therefore the unclear item which is to prove that there are gods is not proved by way of something clear. Nor yet by way of something unclear: anyone who says this will fall into an infinite regress, since we shall always demand a proof of the unclear item brought forward to prove the point at issue."
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    If you read Immanuel Kant's "Critique of pure reason" where he tried to argue for God's existence and in the end showed instead that nothing could possibly be known of any god at all you will see that all and every talk of any god can only ever be a nonsense - Kant showed that it is not possible to talk of a god without contradicting yourself.
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    For instance - if we have free will god cannot be omniscient - because if he knows our every move into the future then our every move is predetermined and so only god can be blamed for everything we do. So if we do have free will then god does not know everything and if he does not know everything he would be being intellectually dishonest deciding on who should go to hell and who should not.
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    Christians, for instance, can never be morally good. Only an atheist can be morally good. Christians can only ever do good but they can never be morally good. If you see £5 on the table and know that you could take it and get away with it without ever being caught and yet you choose not to, of your own volition, then you are being morally good. If you choose not to because otherwise you might be sent to hell then you have failed to be morally good but you have at least been good. And if you are Christian but choose of your own volition not to take the £5 then you are disobeying your god for not being god fearing in which case you are a liar for not being a proper Christian.
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    With regard to evolution - evolution is an absolutely undeniable fact made up of many many facts. Gravity is an absolutely undeniable fact too. The theory of gravity is supported in Newtonian mechanics by the formula F = (Gm1m2)/r² which is a good and popular theory but it is not the only one since there is also Einsteins theory which proves more accurate and Feynman insisted on an even more elegant formula. Like there are different theories to explain gravity there are different theories to explain evolution. But no one offering these theories for gravity or for evolution can deny the facts that there is overwhelming evidence that gravity exists and that life evolves. We can argue over which theory better explains gravity or evolution but it would be idiotic to argue whether or not there was gravity or evolution.
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    Sorry for the multiple posts - server kept throwing errors though unless I broke it down.
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    This was a comment on "Gods" and theists by Sextus Empiricus who was a Greek Roman who studied the little bits of Greek philosophy he could get a hold of. He was there in Rome at the time of the birth of Christianity...

    Our word "Empirical" is derived from Sextus's surname Empiricus


    Sextus Empiricus on God (160-210 AD)


    From Book 3 of the "Outlines of Scepticism"
    Writen by Sextus Empiricus before approximately 210AD

    Since the majority have asserted that god is a most active cause, let us first consider god, remarking by way of preface that, following ordinary life without opinions, we say that there are gods and we are pious towards the gods and say that they are provident: it is against the rashness of the Dogmatists that we make the following points.

    We ought to form a conception of the substance of the things we conceive, e.g. whether they are bodies or incorporeal. Also of their form - no-one could conceive of a horse unless he had previously learned the form of a horse. Further, what is conceived of ought to be conceived of somewhere.

    Now, since some of the Dogmatists say that god is a body, others that he is incorporeal, some that he is anthropomorphic, others not, some in space, others not - and of those who say that he is in space, some say that he is within the universe, others that he is outside it - how shall we be able to acquire a conception of god if we possess neither an agreed substance for him nor a form nor a place in which he is? Let them first agree and form a consensus that god is of such-and-such a kind; and only then, having given us an outline account, let them require us to form a concept of god. As long as they remain in undecidable dispute, we have no agreement from them as to what we should think.

    But, they say, conceive of something indestructible and blessed, and hold that to be god. This is silly: just as, if you do not know Dio, you cannot think of his attributes as attributes of Dio, so, since we do not know the substance of god, we shall not be able to learn and to conceive of his attributes.

    Moreover, let them tell us what it is to be blessed - whether it is to act in accordance with virtue and to provide for the things subordinated to you, or rather to be inactive and take no trouble to yourself and cause none to others. They have had an undecidable dispute about this too, thus making blessedness - and therefore god - incon­ceivable by us.

    Even granting that god is indeed conceivable, it is necessary to suspend judgement about whether gods exist or not, so far as the Dogmatists are concerned. For it is not clear that gods exist: if the gods made an impression on us in themselves, the Dogmatists would be in agreement as to what they are and of what form and where; but the undecidable dispute has made it seem to us that the gods are unclear and in need of proof.

    Now anyone who tries to prove that there are gods, does so either by way of something clear or else by way of something unclear. Certainly not by way of something clear; for if what proves that there are gods were clear, then since what is proved is thought of in relation to what proves and is therefore also apprehended together with it, as we have established, it will also be clear that there are gods, this being apprehended together with what proves it, which, itself is clear. But it is not clear, as we have suggested; therefore it is not proved by way of something clear.

    Nor yet by way of something unclear. For the unclear item which is to prove that there are gods is in need of proof: if it is said to be proved by way of something clear, it will no longer be unclear but clear. Therefore the unclear item which is to prove that there are gods is not proved by way of something clear. Nor yet by way of something unclear: anyone who says this will fall into an infinite regress, since we shall always demand a proof of the unclear item brought forward to prove the point at issue.

    The existence of gods, therefore, cannot be proved from anything else.

    But if it is neither clear in itself nor proved by something else, then it will be inapprehensible whether or not there are gods. Again, there is this to be said. Anyone who says that there are gods says either that they provide for the things in the universe or that they do not - and that if they provide, then either for all things or for some. But if they provided for all things, there would be nothing bad and evil in the universe; but they say that everything is full of evil. Therefore the gods will not be said to provide for everything.

    But if they provide for some things, why do they provide for these and not for those? Either they both want to and can provide for all, or they want to but cannot, or they can but do not want to, or they neither want to nor can. If they both wanted to and could, then they would provide for all; but they do not provide for all, for the reason I have just given; therefore it is not the case that they both want to and can provide for all. If they want to but cannot, they are weaker than the cause in virtue of which they cannot provide for the things for which they do not provide; but it is contrary to the concept of god that a god should be weaker than anything. If they can provide for all but do not want to, they will be thought to be malign. If they neither want to nor can, they are both malign and weak - and only the impious would say this about the gods.

    The gods, therefore, do not provide for the things in the universe. But if they have providence for nothing and have no function and no effect, we will not be able to say how it is apprehended that there are gods, since it is neither apparent in itself nor apprehended by way of any effects. For this reason too, then, it is inapprehensible whether there are gods.

    From this we deduce that those who firmly state that there are gods are no doubt bound to be impious: if they say that the gods provide for everything, they will say that they are a cause of evil; and if they say that they provide for some things or even for none at all, they will be bound to say either that the gods are malign or that they are weak - and anyone who says this is clearly impious.
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    Either the creator always existed or the creation always existed. All paths lead to infinity. Infinity is a fact.

    Evolution = mutation = evolution. There is ample evidence of evolution in the fact of mutation. There is mutation, therefore there is evolution. Evolution is a fact.

    And of course by "fact" I mean that which is highly likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    Either the creator always existed or the creation always existed. All paths lead to infinity. Infinity is a fact.

    Evolution = mutation = evolution. There is ample evidence of evolution in the fact of mutation. There is mutation, therefore there is evolution. Evolution is a fact.

    And of course by "fact" I mean that which is highly likely.
    The Roman Catholic Church - Vatican City - accepts evolution as a fact and they also prefer Darwin's theory to the competing theories. They just think that their God started it and guides it. But any guidance at all would be a removal of free will.

    If I will to train hard for a game of squash I want to win and God makes the other guy win because the other guy said a prayer then bang goes any usefulness of my free will.

    One of the first theories of evolution was offered before Darwin by a guy called Will Smith who suggested there had been many creations and subsequent recreations where each subsequent creation had improvements. Darwin used ancient atheist Greek arguments to defeat Smith's religiously biased interpretation of the facts that undeniably show evolution does happen even if we never get to understand exactly how it happens.
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    If there is guidance, divine or otherwise, it must necessarily exist in the form of instincts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desA View Post
    A theory, at best. The humanists would love to prove that no Intelligent Designer is responsible for the splendour of creation.

    The fact is - they are completely blind-sided by their arrogance, ignorance & rebellion. Man was simply created in The Designer's image. Once you can accept that God is completely responsible for our little time-capsule on planet Earth, then a lot more begins to make sense.

    Anyway, I digress.
    OK, I,ll bite.

    And who,s God are you talking about?

    Thor, Allah, Blootoh or any of the other 120,000 Gods it is estimated that deluded human beings believe in today?

    So if you dont believe in all of those other Gods and only your 1 God that makes you a 99% athiest1

    Undeserved Religious priviledge -
    Look at my own Country, the UK that in the year 2011 religious priviledge is rife.

    26 Bishops sit in the house of Lords governing the lives of 60 million UK citizens?

    Muslim, Catholic, Jewish and other faith schools (you need to brainwash em when they are young) are paid for by British taxpayers?

    Religious institutions claim charitable status so pay no tax at all>
    Blasphemy laws still exist etc etc.

    Evolution is not a theory nor is the age of the Earth, it is established fact!

    If you personally believe an bronze age myths and a book called the Bible that was written by 40 different authors in different times and that the Earth is only 10,000 years old and believe in a talking snake and that an invisible man sits on a cloud up in the sky conducting devine survellance of Billions of peoples every thought and action 24 hours a day for eternity whilst at the same time designing the entire universe you should keep it to youself lest someone thinks you are a nutter and belong in a mental institution.

    But oh no its called religion, so its acceptable as it has the advantage because it came before science?

    What relevance has this got to do with science?

    If you dont know the Roman Catholic church actively hunted down and murdered scientists in Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries.

    So perhaps the knowledge of thermodynamic laws that we manipulate and depend on for a living on this forum would have been discovered earlier if it wasnt for religion.

    I pity your childeren if this what you believe as what the cults demand of you will be brainwashing there young minds and the deluded cycle will continue.

    Religion needs challenging at EVERY opportunity, it is not a force for good.

    Religious apologists are a bunch of hypocrites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buddy View Post
    Religious apologists are a bunch of hypocrites.
    Bashing religion is a no no. But exposing the inconsistencies in its propositions is perfectly legit.

    I try to stick to commenting on the matters of inconsistency.

    But with regard to hypocrites - they are often right. A smoker who warns you not to smoke might be a hypocrite but he also has better grounds in support of his advice than a non smoker - he has all the grounds a non smoker might have plus he has experience too. In fact very often you will find we should pay more respect to the advice of hypocrites than we should others.
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    @ buddy (answering your post):

    For the record, I do not consider myself to be a religious person, but rather, 'a person of faith'.

    My walk began at the age of 17 when I had a real encounter with God. This was an intensely personal experience & has influenced my life ever since. Over the course of my life, I have become more convinced of God's existence.

    I would never attempt to 'convert' you, or anyone else for that matter. 'Matters of faith' are intensely personal & each human will have to decide whether to follow God, or otherwise. We have all been given a free will to decide to either accept, or reject the Intelligent Designer. No-one, no institution, nor organised religion has the right to impose on your free will. Actually, not even God will violate your free will.

    Seek & you will find the answers you are looking for. I wish you the very best in this search.
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    Quote Originally Posted by desA View Post
    Seek & you will find the answers you are looking for. I wish you the very best in this search.
    Bayes Theorum must be applied in every search of any kind involving interpretation. It helps one avoid confirmation bias - something all humans are programmed from evolution to do. Humans are programed to see what they want to see and to be blind to counter evidence.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes'_theorem

    This is why when you are trying to discover the truth of some matter experimentally or exploratory you should try even to perform thinking double blindedly.

    I use cryptic questions to avoid people helping me solve a problem from seeing it from my point of view from the outset lest their view become as corrupted and as confused on the matter as much as I am.

    Tell people it is a vase and many will immediately see this, not all, but many will because you told them that is what you see. Tell them instead that it is a face and they then don't see the vase and so on.

    http://www.uic.edu/com/eye/LearningA...FaceVase.shtml
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    Quote Originally Posted by desA View Post
    @ buddy (answering your post):

    For the record, I do not consider myself to be a religious person, but rather, 'a person of faith'.

    My walk began at the age of 17 when I had a real encounter with God. This was an intensely personal experience & has influenced my life ever since. Over the course of my life, I have become more convinced of God's existence.

    I would never attempt to 'convert' you, or anyone else for that matter. 'Matters of faith' are intensely personal & each human will have to decide whether to follow God, or otherwise. We have all been given a free will to decide to either accept, or reject the Intelligent Designer. No-one, no institution, nor organised religion has the right to impose on your free will. Actually, not even God will violate your free will.

    Seek & you will find the answers you are looking for. I wish you the very best in this search.
    Wow at the age of 17 you had a real encounter with God, ...please tell me what did God look like?

    Person of faith, religious person, its all semantics.

    The point i am trying to make is that Religion is not passive, by its very nature it is aggressive and strives to recruit as many to the cult as possible.

    Religion also is an identifier, it divides people.

    I gave an example about the UK, Religion is interfering in my daily life and millions of other people, i pay taxes to fund the fairy story...unelected Bishops rule over me, 30 million pounds was spent on the protector of the priestly child abusers visit to the UK last year...how many schoolchildren could 30 million pounds educate?

    I am not happy that Religion has this undeserved respect and influence in my life.

    You may say its a personal thing but you still found it in your heart to espouse your deluded beliefs on a Refrigeration forum...rather typical evangelical religious behaviour dont you think?

    I am certainly not searching for meaning in some ancient excuse for the story of the existance of the Earth and human beings place on it.

    Humans have aquired knowledge and have moved on since the bronze age, or it seems some of us have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buddy View Post
    Wow at the age of 17 you had a real encounter with God, ...please tell me what did God look like?

    Person of faith, religious person, its all semantics.

    The point i am trying to make is that Religion is not passive, by its very nature it is aggressive and strives to recruit as many to the cult as possible.

    Religion also is an identifier, it divides people.

    I gave an example about the UK, Religion is interfering in my daily life and millions of other people, i pay taxes to fund the fairy story...unelected Bishops rule over me, 30 million pounds was spent on the protector of the priestly child abusers visit to the UK last year...how many schoolchildren could 30 million pounds educate?

    I am not happy that Religion has this undeserved respect and influence in my life.

    You may say its a personal thing but you still found it in your heart to espouse your deluded beliefs on a Refrigeration forum...rather typical evangelical religious behaviour dont you think?

    I am certainly not searching for meaning in some ancient excuse for the story of the existance of the Earth and human beings place on it.

    Humans have aquired knowledge and have moved on since the bronze age, or it seems some of us have.
    Buddy - I am a member of the British Humanist Society - we protested the popes visit to the UK last year - it went well.

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    @ buddy:

    I'll refer you to post #47. I suspect that you'll find my entry was in response to a point of view. I expressed my view - it was discussed, you laid into me, I rebutted & here we are.

    I think that enough has been said on this matter. I rest. Back to matters of refrigeration nature.
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    Guys
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    Can we keep this thread on the original subject please
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    Agreed Frank. Apologies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by desA View Post
    A theory, at best. The humanists would love to prove that no Intelligent Designer is responsible for the splendour of creation.
    Applying philosophical logic...

    "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" is a false slogan as far as atheism goes.

    Consider the question of whether there is butter in my fridge.

    If we do not open the door and have a look inside there will be an absence of evidence for the butter being there, but this would not add up to evidence of its absence.

    If we look inside the fridge and thoroughly examine it and don't find any butter then we have an absence of evidence which really does add up to evidence of absence.

    In fact what other evidence could there be for the butter not being there other than a failure to find any evidence that it is there?

    Something which does not exist leaves no mark so it can only be an absence of marks of its existence that can be evidence of its absence or of its non-existence.

    The strongest evidence that there is no elephant in your fridge is that none is found when you open the fridge.

    So the evidence for atheism is to be found in the fact that there is a plethora of evidence for the truth of naturalism and an absence of evidence for anything else including goblins, hobbits or gods.
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    Can we keep this thread on the original subject please
    Of course, yes.
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    Reading this thread brings me to the very basic concept of BEER, lovely BEER and the need for lots of it. Tis better to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous physics when when under the affluence of inkahol. Cheers. DT I will read your articles on a hot day while quaffing some noble golden libation.
    So, on to the underwood with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeHolm View Post
    Reading this thread brings me to the very basic concept of BEER, lovely BEER and the need for lots of it. Tis better to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous physics when when under the affluence of inkahol. Cheers. DT I will read your articles on a hot day while quaffing some noble golden libation.
    So, on to the underwood with you.

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    I'm a fan of Black Bears..........

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    Gday Fellas

    Haven't posted much over the past few years. Read quite often with interest though.

    Much sources of wonderful knowledge on here I have to say.

    This is a ripper of a thread.

    I had no idea us fridgies were so intelligent.

    Maybe we could get this thread published in some plumbing and trade mags - just to mess with their heads

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    Apologies moderator, didn't realise I had not read all posts on this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rooboy View Post
    Gday Fellas

    Haven't posted much over the past few years. Read quite often with interest though.

    Much sources of wonderful knowledge on here I have to say.

    This is a ripper of a thread.

    I had no idea us fridgies were so intelligent.

    Maybe we could get this thread published in some plumbing and trade mags - just to mess with their heads

    How did believing in God stop us from getting to the moon in 400BC ? Bit confused

    Rooboy

    Right on dude .... you must be a mystic as well, along with everyone else ....
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