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18-07-2005, 03:44 PM #1
Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
I have a compressor gone on a RAV 461AH8-P apparently its a 12kw, got a quote for parts from my wholesaler who buys at discounted prices from HRP and a contactor to me is £96 and a compressor is £1006 all prices + VAT. I dare not ring the customer with the quotation for repairs for fear of been suspected of ripping him off! I recently had a 12 kw compressor for a Fujitsu and that was only £590 + VAT. How are we supposed to make a living when the components are that expensive. Regarding the recent threads concerning LG and alternative brands to LG,..........remind me on to forget about Toshiba!
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18-07-2005, 08:54 PM #2
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
I dare not ring the customer with the quotation for repairs for fear of been suspected of ripping him off!
Don't try to rip him off but show him a copy of the quote and explain that you will add a mark-up and then your labour + ancillaries. That is the way we all normally do business.
The ones that don't, don't seem to be in business for long.
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18-07-2005, 10:37 PM #3
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
Good point Frank, and that is exactly what I do in these situations, I try my best to be fair to all of my customers.
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18-07-2005, 10:47 PM #4
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
I don't know the Toshiba type (not an inverter I suppose), so can't you just fit a scroll in it, will cost you perhaps 1/3 of it.
It's better to keep your mouth shut and give the impression that you're stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
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19-07-2005, 01:38 AM #5
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
yes.............why does it HAVE to be a Tosh compressor???
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19-07-2005, 07:08 AM #6
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
I did consider an alternative but as the machine is high up an outside wall it would maybe fiddley to do, it is bad enough now! If it was at ground level it would be more feasible. Just waiting for the customer to get back to me to decide if to fit the compressor, (none in stock and on back order) or to go for a new complete system with a 3 year guarantee such as a LG. Did I say LG then, I meant Fujitsu!
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19-07-2005, 09:33 AM #7
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
Spares have always been where the big mark ups are, they keep the new equipment margins in reasonable figures, but spares are on massive mark up. i always used to try to select another compressor that was off the shelf at reasonable price that would match the duty, always a bit of a sod with pipes not being in the right place, but even the spares didn't fit nicely, after having to wait 8 weeks for it to arrive.
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19-07-2005, 10:47 AM #8
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
Two options Andy........
Get the unit off the wall and carry out repairs on a safe level platform.ie: within a comfortable working environment.
A compressor change can sometimes be tricky and u need all the patience, time, etc to perform a sound changeover, and at same time look and service at other parts of system.
Consider changing the outdoor unit if the price difference is small.
you can always build the price of scaffolds, etc into the job.......Any opinions, statements and facts expressed in this message do not constitute legal advice in any shape or form and is given for a general outlook in nature. You are advised to seek appropriate and specific professional assistance from a regulated and authorised advisor for definitive advice.
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19-07-2005, 11:17 AM #9
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
Originally Posted by Andy W
Does your customer have insurance that covers motor burnouts?
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19-07-2005, 12:43 PM #10
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
Originally Posted by Aiyub
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19-07-2005, 06:09 PM #11
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
I have driven a variety of vehicles over the years all with high mileages on them and never had to replace an engine.
So why do hermetic compressors break with a regularity that would not be tolerated in any other type of machine?.
Sodd's the name...... Law's the game.
Established 1791 - still going strong.
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19-07-2005, 06:42 PM #12
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
I would either remove the unit from the wall and fit a non-Tosh compatable compressor, or cost for a new system. I alway think compressors do not just burnout, but are caused by other factors which are hard to find on a non runing unit.
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19-07-2005, 06:52 PM #13
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
I have driven a variety of vehicles over the years all with high mileages on them and never had to replace an engine.
So why do hermetic compressors break with a regularity that would not be tolerated in any other type of machine?
Compressor failures can be attributed to various causes and operate in totally different circumstances to vehicle engines.
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19-07-2005, 07:09 PM #14
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
We had a similar situation with a compressor failure on a Mitsi.
Mitsi quote out of stock, 8 weeks delivery from Japan and loads of £££'s.
Asked our friendly United refrigeration supplier for a Copeland compressor (same model number etc) and one was delivered next day.
Toshiba do not manufacture compressors so why not get the same model elsewhere?
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19-07-2005, 09:58 PM #15
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
Silly Question Andy but why not buy direct from HRP?
Like most whores they will sell to anybody.
Also what conpressor is fitted? If it is a Copeland compressor then they may have that instead as they sell copeland units as well
Brit
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19-07-2005, 10:35 PM #16
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
The compressor fitted is a Toshiba YH506JA, can anyone else shed any light on a manufacturer. Regarding buying from HRP, I do not have an account with them but my wholesaler who supplies me and also a friend from years ago showed me how much the compressor was to him, £970 + VAT, he was selling me for £1006 + VAT so not an unreasonable mark up, if it was a copeland I could get one no problem at all.
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19-07-2005, 11:00 PM #17
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
The capacity you gave us -12 kW - is for most AC given at 7°C evap temperature.
So, do you know enough now?It's better to keep your mouth shut and give the impression that you're stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
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20-07-2005, 08:13 AM #18
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
Originally Posted by Peter_1
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20-07-2005, 08:38 AM #19
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
Originally Posted by Andy W
Tosh, believe it or not, were one of the world’s biggest OEM black pot manufacturers before Carrier got their hooks into them.
I think that Tosh went to a Copeland scroll when they made the transition to R407C, and if the old memory banks are still working, the 461 part in the model no: became a 462.
It’s possible to put in another type as a replacement, but a lot of work, you’ll need a base plate to transform the fixings, and to amend the piping – suction in the side and the discharge came out of the bottom on those old things.
You probably won’t justify the cost, especially on R22. How old is the thing? You can get the manufacture date from the serial No: on the unit. First digit is the year, 0 – 9, the second and third are the month +20 - January 21, Feb 22 etc..
Sodd's the name...... Law's the game.
Established 1791 - still going strong.
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20-07-2005, 08:47 AM #20
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
The serial number is 54380305, does that make it an 1995 machine?
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20-07-2005, 09:09 AM #21
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
Originally Posted by Andy W
Yes.
1995, made in March at Plymouth.
My Crystal ball was little cloudy earlier. The second and third digits give the month of manufacture from January onwards. 0 – 12 is Japan, + 20 is Thailand and + 40 is Plymouth.
An alternative is to look for a second hand OD unit. One of their G series for the same capacity size will also fit, but it’s a physically bigger (and heavier) unit..
Sodd's the name...... Law's the game.
Established 1791 - still going strong.
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20-07-2005, 09:58 PM #22
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
That model compressor would have to be replaced with the same model otherwise the pipework will require modification as will the unit base plate to enable you to fix it.
The larger R407C models do use a Copeland Compliant and these would have been easier to obtain.
s to buying from HRP you don't need an account most times as they take all known types of plastic as well as cash. Having said all that they probably wouldn't give you any discount anyway so it would be more expensive as well as still out of stock.
Brit
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20-07-2005, 11:27 PM #23
Re: Toshiba spare parts prices ££££'s
Originally Posted by Sir Josiah Sodd
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