Biggest refrigeration forum in the world!

[benncool]

This announcement has been placed on the Main Portal of this site. I am not trying to be a trouble maker but I was wondering on what basis that statement was made.

I read a site that orginated in Canada that claims to have over 32,000 registered members. http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/

[WebRam]

nuts, Marc beat me to the punch

[botrous]

I posted twice in that site under the fireplace forum .... hehe nobody replied , they aren't that friendly and welcoming

[eggs]

so, get one of their hillbilly lawyers to sue then.
just another thought.

cheers

eggs

[botrous]

so, get one of their hillbilly lawyers to sue then.
just another thought.

cheers

eggs

lolololol a goog "another thought" , could you find me a hillbilly lawyer so i can sue them .... sure you will be granted for ur help

[shogun7]

That is an HVAC forum. It is not a forum set up primarily for refrigeration. This forum has HVAC as a relational appendage.

Also, the IQ and technical understanding on that forum is a little American, particularly southern, if you know what what I mean.

You can't be talking about me Marko I'm from Rhode Island and Dez I'm dissapointed in finding out how prejudiced you are I always gave you credit for being better then that. Ok lets take a vote: all those of you who feel I am a drag on this site please raise your hands Marc and Aiyub don't count

[eggs]

Shogun, can i please suggest you read a book?
I don't know, but i suspect this book is only available in countries not covered by USA censorship.
If you have trouble finding it. Contact me, i will make sure you get a copy.

"Why do people hate America?" it is titled
Icon Books
IBSN: 1840465255
Ziauddin Sardar, Merryl Wyn Davies

Now perhaps if you could find this book and read it, with an open mind, maybe you would understand the stereotypical American as we(we, being the rest of the world) do.

i certainly do not find you a drag on this site, but i do notice, on occasion, that your post do sometimes slip into that "American Way" of trying to educate the "uninitiated" on old, outdated technologies.

Now as i have read the aformentioned book, i understand your predicament. You are not to blame. Until you and your countrymen stop believing the lies and half-truths that Hollywood feeds you, you will never be at peace with the rest of the world, or within newsgroups/forums that contain members from other countries who's ideology does not necessarily relate to what you have been educated to believe in the American education (read brainwashing) system.

Until Americans in general, realise that there is more to the world than the stars and stripes. You as a nation will have to tolerate the baiting of the Europeans, Asians, Africans and Australasians.

If you can't stand the heat, then get...........................(is this an american phrase?)

cheers

eggs

[Abe]

Im not saying anything...........
All I know is I have a healthy respect for every single member on this site.
Yes from time to time I will jibe and joke.........
Take it on the chin, in good vein and I will take the return similarly

But as Newton says..........for every action.........
So figure.........

[Abe]

Eggs

I post and guess what.............you beat me to it!!
Shucks!

Im trying to locate a posting Shogun scribed around 7 months ago.......about being a New Worlder........ cant find it..............yet!

About being insular looking and shutting himself off from the rest.....

But this is what I want to say right now...........Its Saturday night and no, I am not on a binge.........

Whether this is a world famous or big forum is irrelevant.

It is a freindly and helpful site, and it has members who are skilled, knowleageable and used to trading their knowledge in the overall scheme of our industry, life , work and incomes

Yes. it is not avoidable to sometimes embroil political sentiments , often they are harmless.

It is when " sensibilities and sensitivities are aroused that a member chooses to take it personally is when the friction occurs..........

When respect for a fellow members opinions , culture, or status fade, then the stripes of arrogance and patronism will stain the posting in a response.

And it does not happen often, I am glad to say.


So , this is what I say to Sho gun, if you care about this forum then serve to unite, not divide..........

This is a brotherhood.........

[benncool]

Eggs


So , this is what I say to Sho gun, if you care about this forum then serve to unite, not divide..........

This is a brotherhood.........

Hear, Hear, I'll drink to that! We all derive our livings from being able to move some heat from one place to another. I'm proud of being part of that brotherhood for the last 40 years.

[shogun7]

I don't understand how what Dez thinks can be considered prejudiced. Let me remind you of some of that words principle definitions:

A prior judgement; esp. a judgement formed hastily or before due consideration.

The action of judging an event beforehand; prognostication.

Preconceived opinion not based on actual experience; bias, partiality. Also, an instance of this; an unreasoning preference or objection; a bias. Usu. derog.

A preliminary or anticipatory judgement; a preconceived idea of what will happen; an anticipation.

Geeze Marc, Ask me how much I care, are you Dez's mouth piece?

[shogun7]

I love you guys ... your so righteous Ex-colonial countries like the United Kingdom, France, etc, have all committed atrocities. They all have people and nations who still reserve some hatred for them due to past events, wars and politics. And rightly so. The most prevalent form in Western nations of anti American feelings is due to intellectualized reasons. In short this amounts to opinions on Americas actions. Intellectual hatred is based on principles, morals, and historical hatred based on present conflicts and actions of the USA.

In Europe, it is largely intellectual hatred of America that people take with them after abandoning childhood jealousy. Perhaps choosing to intellectualize their distaste by concentrating on North America's poor spots in history and current affairs, rather than understanding it and it's globalisation, materialist dreams and multicultural freedom.

Opinion polls show that half the German population is openly critical of US leadership for a number of reasons: Its failure to consult its allies as promised Its refusal to sign up to joint action against global warming Its protectionist stance on trade issues such as steel and agriculture"
As the world's richest nation, jealousy does give rise to hatred. Many level headed people will subconsciously feel it's effects, even though they may recognize it as what it is, many won't.

There is much unjustified hatred of America. Much of this arises from the victimisation complex that sweeps much of mankind. Whoever is in charge, whoever is powerful or successful will also be hated. This immature hatred often evaporates quickly with a little reason or thought except of course not with the mentality of some people I know. Finally,the whole world does not hate the USA. The masses of the world in the most part see it as imperfect, often an oppressor, often a humanitarian country, often wrong, often right. The hatred of America does not match the hatred of the United Kingdom 100 years ago. They done some seriously inhumane and undefendable things back then. and are constantly apologizing about it.

The USA has done terrible things too. The key is in apologizing. Although the government seems far from making any concessions, showing any humility or even the faintest sign of modesty, the world understands that the American people are hurt, and the world is sympathetic and caring. People in most nations know that American people are no less human than anyone else, trying their best. Governments and massive organisations, however, are frequently the last to realize when such human emotions need to be brought to the forefront. However I believe we as Individuals are trying I don't consider myself as a person who is trying to devide this site . lets be honest ..How many of you would sit back and take Marc O'brion's BS day in and day out and not respond. If you can take that sh88 then your a better man than I am. I said it before and I'll say it again my only intention is to give the best advice I can but I don't need someone putting me down. Believe it or not but on other sites I am well respected and we don't knock someone for having an opinion. I am not the only one on this site O'Brion has pissed off, it seems he has a need to be omnipotent Anyway Your opinions are well taken

[WebRam]

You can't be talking about me Marko I'm from Rhode Island and Dez I'm dissapointed in finding out how prejudiced you are I always gave you credit for being better then that. Ok lets take a vote: all those of you who feel I am a drag on this site please raise your hands Marc and Aiyub don't count

Point out what I said that was prejudice ????????????

man, some people need to take the blue pill

[WebRam]

can I suggest some other sites that you should visit shogun7 ...... like


http://www.circlethewaggons.com

or

http://www.america-theworld.org

or

http://www.politicsandtheamericans.com

or http://www.hvac-talk.com

and lets keep our thoughts on REFRIGERATION and REFRIGERATION matters.

[750 Valve]

Keeping to the initial subject...
HVAC-Talk may have more members, I am one of them, but they are NOT world wide (nor is the standard of discussion as high). Have tried accessing many times, "page cannot be displayed" is all I can get, have heard somewhere, maybe on this site, that the HVAC-Talk site will not allow access from certain ISP's and/or certain regions. I could once access the site and still get the occasional email about a response to one of my posts but can't for the life of me gain access now.
Can anybody confirm this true or false?
PS If its too contentious to call it the BIGGEST forum in the world then don't worry, nobody can argue if its referred to as the BEST refrigeration AND HVAC forum in the world.

[Peter_1]

Shogun,

What we feel here very strong is that the US government sees his selves as the patron saint of democracy.
I don't blame you personally for this vision and I'm not saying you hold the same idea nor that every American thinks the same way.
They wants to force their idea - which they see as thé ideal way of leading a country - in every land/nation where they can make huge benefits.
Who say democracy is the best?
Is Lc in China so unhappy, are the Russians better of now that the the system changed, Is Botrous unhappy in his country, is Chemi unhappy despites all the shootings...?

We may not force our ideas and intrude in other countries from which we personally thinks that our system is the best for all.
What should you say if an Islamic nation attacks US and force you all to live the way they do? You shouldn't accept it.

We all grow up under different conditions,...I grow up in a democracy and find it (mostly) the best but others like Chinese peoples grow up in different systems, have other views and for many of them is their system the best.

Look how China is growing for the moment. They say now that if you want to study a foreign language, Chinese will become n° 1.

That's what bothers many, the US meddelsomeness everywhere in the world (had to search this word in a dictionary and hopes it's correct)
And when I'm say US, I mean the present politicians, not an individual. I saw already on this forum that not all the US citizens thinks the same way. I spent also some short time in the US and I could live there easily I think.

In that vision, Clinton was better, even if he played some time with Lewinsky.
I think that Hillary will become a famous and ... a respected president.

[rbartlett]

Keeping to the initial subject...
HVAC-Talk may have more members, I am one of them, but they are NOT world wide (nor is the standard of discussion as high). Have tried accessing many times, "page cannot be displayed" is all I can get, have heard somewhere, maybe on this site, that the HVAC-Talk site will not allow access from certain ISP's and/or certain regions. I could once access the site and still get the occasional email about a response to one of my posts but can't for the life of me gain access now.
Can anybody confirm this true or false?
PS If its too contentious to call it the BIGGEST forum in the world then don't worry, nobody can argue if its referred to as the BEST refrigeration AND HVAC forum in the world.

it was me..

I sent the webmaster an email asking why I had the same problems as you
I deleted the reply but I can confirm that they have a restrictive practice. Which is sad because several members stated tht they enjoyed my posts because of the dirversity of equipmet we installed etc

cheers
richard