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27-01-2010, 05:19 PM #1
Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
Does someone have the Service manual for these machines? Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump and eventually heat recovery (build 2004)
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27-01-2010, 05:25 PM #2
Re: Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
Master and slave combination.
Tried on daikin.co.uk but only operation manuals.
Problem I had today 1. L8, 2. E6, 3. L9 and 4. L8.
Both stops after the failure and it becomes then of course very quick cold in the offices.
Seems to be the power board of the inverter or the inverter compressor.
I know that in this manual is a guideline how to test the Power PCB on different points (power diodes and transistors) with a digital multimeter.
Compressor earth is OK but I don't know the right values for the windings.Last edited by Peter_1; 27-01-2010 at 05:27 PM.
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27-01-2010, 06:00 PM #3
Re: Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
Hi Peter,
I have just found it on the Daikin UK website, are you registered on the extranet? The reference is SiE39-302, if not drop me a line.
CheersTutto il Mondo e un Paese
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27-01-2010, 07:08 PM #4
Re: Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
Thanks for your quick reply, I'm unfortunately not registered on their extranet. Think it's a little bit difficult because I'm a Belgium citizen.
I thought I needed the SiE39-404 manual.
Can you post it eventually on an external server?It's better to keep your mouth shut and give the impression that you're stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
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27-01-2010, 07:42 PM #5
Re: Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
Peter
Daikin have 2 Extranets - 1 for the UK and one Europe/world.
Try registering with this one http://extranet.daikineurope.com/login.htm
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27-01-2010, 07:51 PM #6
Re: Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
Hi Peter_1 and good evening.
Get there the service manual si39-407 ( MA series )
http://www.mediafire.com/?yjqvybrbiny
Hope this helps
rgds
cool#9
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27-01-2010, 07:58 PM #7
Re: Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
U.S. version - no log in required:
http://www.daikinac.com/commercial/d...c=docs&page=39
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27-01-2010, 08:02 PM #8
Re: Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
Hello Peter,
You need to verify which VRV model you have M7/M8/M9/MA
Ie. RXYQ16M8?
M7 & M8 are almost the same, M9 & MA are almost the same but M7/M8 are very different to M9/MA
M7/M8 service manual ref: Si39-302 / Si39-404
M9/MA service manual ref: Si39-501 / Si39-407A
Problem I had today 1. L8, 2. E6, 3. L9 and 4. L8.
E6 – Relates to standard compressor over current >15a
Hope this helps .
Last edited by VRVIII; 27-01-2010 at 09:50 PM.
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27-01-2010, 08:31 PM #9
Re: Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
Wow, what a help guys.
It's an M7, therfore i thought I needed Si39-404
Isn't the Si39-303 the Design, Installation & Testing Instruction manual wit less information then the 404?It's better to keep your mouth shut and give the impression that you're stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
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27-01-2010, 08:38 PM #10
Re: Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
Last edited by Peter_1; 27-01-2010 at 08:41 PM.
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27-01-2010, 08:44 PM #11
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27-01-2010, 08:46 PM #12
Re: Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
L8 & L9 – Relate to inverter compressor over current, With these errors I would say the compressor is partially seized or poor electrical connection beween inverter board and compressor terminals.
E6 – Relates to standard compressor over current >15a
It's just I want to make sure what I need to order, PCB or compressor.
Someone told me if you only change one part, you then have to be cautious that the replaced part can be damaged again by the not replaced part.
I have two of those units connected together where one is shutting down on L8. Can I just pull out temporarily the wires of the inverted controlled compressor so that it keeps running on teh otehr 2 nnot inverter controlled compressors till I have the spare parts? Or will the PCB sees this as new fault? We mostly install Mitsubishi and for several reasons, we avoid Daikin.It's better to keep your mouth shut and give the impression that you're stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
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27-01-2010, 08:48 PM #13
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27-01-2010, 08:50 PM #14
Re: Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
If you guys ever need something form Mitsubishi ELectric, let me know.
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27-01-2010, 08:55 PM #15
Re: Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
OK you can get it: i know that MY (japan factory ) service manual is the same as M7 ( from DENV).
http://www.mediafire.com/?kmmhwljmyi0
to go further with you problem you'll maybe need an inverter analyser to test the output of the inverter board, now in France we can afford it in our local supplier. You will find a special mode in the service manual...
rgds
cool#9
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27-01-2010, 09:16 PM #16
Re: Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
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27-01-2010, 09:17 PM #17
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27-01-2010, 09:18 PM #18
Re: Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
Peter,
Disconnecting the compressor will also cause an error, you need to disable the compressor by field setting. The setting depends on if you have a stand alone unit or a multi system (units linked together as 1 system), which do you have on site?
I would only replace one part and going by your inverter fault description I would say 90% sure inverter compressor. A faulty compressor can damage a new inverter PCB but a faulty PCB will not damage a new compressor.
I would carry out further investigation into E6 fault, are you sure this wasn’t an E5 error?Last edited by VRVIII; 27-01-2010 at 09:22 PM.
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27-01-2010, 09:21 PM #19
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27-01-2010, 09:25 PM #20
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27-01-2010, 09:35 PM #21
Re: Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
Sorry Peter I have just read you post again and noticed that you have 2 units linked together.
You will have:
1 master unit - with H8P on & F1F2 indoor wiring connected.
1 slave unit - with H8P flashing & only Q1Q2 wiring connected.
When you have a multi system you can not disable the faulty compressor and you will need to disable the unit with faulty compressor.
Mode 2 setting 38 - disable master unit
Mode 2 setting 39 - disable slave 1 unitLast edited by VRVIII; 27-01-2010 at 09:54 PM.
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27-01-2010, 10:22 PM #22
Re: Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
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27-01-2010, 10:38 PM #23
Re: Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
In case someone is still awake referring to 5.2.2 Emergency operation..i can switch off temporarily the faulty compressor
5.2.2. is referring to 1 outdoor unit (RXYQ8 to 16M) where 5.2.3.speaks about multi OUtdoor unit system (RXYQ18 to 48 M) I'm having two RXYQ16 unitsIt's better to keep your mouth shut and give the impression that you're stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
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28-01-2010, 05:08 PM #24
Re: Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
Peter,
Do you mean; you have 1 faulty compressor on each unit?
IE. master inverter compressor faulty & Slave unit standard compressor faulty.
I'm having two RXYQ16 units
temporarily disable the faulty unit (not the compressor only) by mode 2 setting 38 for master or 39 for slave 1Last edited by VRVIII; 28-01-2010 at 07:05 PM.
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28-01-2010, 10:32 PM #25
Re: Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
Thanks, just back from school. I have one faulty compressor on the master unit. Was back today, compressor spins up for +/- 30 to 40 seconds and then it shuts down. All indoor units connected to the multi go in error (I-touch)
It's somehow strange for me why Daikin shuts down everything when there's a fault on 1 of the 6 compressors? I should conclude that the system may run further with the remaining 5 but giving a fault code of course.It's better to keep your mouth shut and give the impression that you're stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
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28-01-2010, 10:50 PM #26
Re: Daikin VRVII R410a RXYQ16M Heat pump
If you turn the remote controller off/on the system will automatically disable the unit with faulty compressor, however after 8hrs the system will again shut down and indicate fault code. see back up operation section in service manual
To prevent fault reoccurring every 8hrs, you must manually disable the faulty unit as per previous post.Last edited by VRVIII; 28-01-2010 at 10:55 PM.
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