c.i.t.b.2079

[DALO]

Well multystink or whatever your name is. The relevance to the UK is this. Australia implemented their system before the UK. Thus i think it would be a resonable guinea pig. Oh let me guess there is a totally different agenda in the UK and every British institution does things for nothing and the goodness of their heart.

Why are you so scared of these shonky tradesmen? Surely if your as good as you claim to be your employer will be able to distinguish between yourself and the impostors. Or are you just useless and like collecting pieces of paper and ID cards. Dont hide behing qualifications fat boy youll soon get found out.

How about you stop whinging get out there and start installing. If you dont want to do it then shut up and stop whinging about people pinching your livelihood.
If you dont like it leave the industry, noone will miss you your just a number.
I find it a little coincidental that your sat down on your photograph.
Just so you know i was in Australia well before Arctick came along and i can tell you this. We have a state license in every state. Arctick then masterminded a federal license. Why bother when you already have one?
The answer is now you have to pay twice.
There was a major contrast of opinion and many aussies refused to subscribe.
So its an offence to buy gas without one. Funnily enough its not an offence for any member of the public to buy a precharged unit from the local electrical store. Thats hardly regulating the industry is it?
Im all for training people. Ive got more qualifications than most, but dont waste my time showing me how to use a recovery machine or brazing every 3 years just to fuel a fiscal agenda.

[multisync]

Well multystink or whatever your name is. The relevance to the UK is this. Australia implemented their system before the UK. Thus i think it would be a resonable guinea pig. Oh let me guess there is a totally different agenda in the UK and every British institution does things for nothing and the goodness of their heart.

OK, I guess I will have to respond. I am tad disappointed that you feel the need to try to insult..I guess you have your reasons to be infantile....

So yes AU has A system but that doesn't mean it is the only one or the best/worst one or even the one we will follow. The Norwegian system is far more stringent -perhaps we are working toward that? I personally couldn't give a flying fig about the cost. The implimation is more important.

Why are you so scared of these shonky tradesmen?

Point out where I indicate I am scared?

Surely if your as good as you claim to be your employer will be able to distinguish between yourself and the impostors.

I can and so can my boss. However yellow pages can't, prospective customers can't. Cowboy's know this and avoid the legalities of proper refrigerant reclaim, disposal etc etc.Do you think the industry should not address this issue? If so how would YOU stop the cowboys ?

Or are you just useless and like collecting pieces of paper and ID cards. Dont hide behing qualifications fat boy youll soon get found out.

As I say I believe i am a reasonable engineer. Perhaps not up to case cleaning but hey ho.I believe most apprenticeships will include paper and this is just another one.

How about you stop whinging get out there and start installing. If you dont want to do it then shut up and stop whinging about people pinching your livelihood.
If you dont like it leave the industry, noone will miss you your just a number.

You are obviously rambling or posting after a few beers? I don't remember wingeing -I do remember you wingeing on every post thus far. Perhaps you're confused (drink again??)

I do worry about non skilled, poorly trained sparkies and plumbers etc nicking ALL our livelihoods. I am not so selfish thinking "No plumber can do what I do" in an I'm alright jack attitude.

I find it a little coincidental that your sat down on your photograph.

Coincidental to what exactly?

Just so you know i was in Australia well before Arctick came along and i can tell you this. We have a state license in every state. Arctick then masterminded a federal license. Why bother when you already have one?
The answer is now you have to pay twice.
There was a major contrast of opinion and many aussies refused to subscribe.

So you pay twice -you can afford it can't you? All your ranting is about money. You have not indicated once that you care one iota about anyone else let alone the industry itself...

So its an offence to buy gas without one. Funnily enough its not an offence for any member of the public to buy a precharged unit from the local electrical store. Thats hardly regulating the industry is it?

It's an offence to install it as stated by the guidelines. However not an offence to buy a fridge either, so what is your point?

Im all for training people

.

Make your mind up! This is all about training people to a sufficient level. The old 2078 was a turn up sign in -here's your certificate. Utterly useless. I have seen so many idiots young and old coming out of the various colleges and trade schools who have been so bad they are a complete menace. I would not let them loose on their own fridge let alone a customer (who's paying for the **** ups).

The colleges are letting the industry down so badly just taking the money and not failing those who are unable or unwilling to be trained. Finally the G.ment has said enough, from now on you must train to a level of competence and it must be proven. We should all rejoice that the unskilled are going to be found out.
We must all hope and prey the trade schools and colleges do their bit and keep the pass mark high and not let it become the joke that is 2078. (I do have my doubts they can be trusted, of course...)

Ive got more qualifications than most,

I'm alright Jack !

but dont waste my time showing me how to use a recovery machine or brazing every 3 years just to fuel a fiscal agenda.

I do not believe there will be a 3 year renewal to that level. Maybe an update on regulations etc and a quick exam to make sure you haven't forgot (or that the previous examination company wasn't cutting corners for money etc)

This is going to happen. Probably nowhere nearly as good as it should be..but it will happen none the less..

[Quality]

I gonna break the ice here we all have opinions our own of course but have no choice in what we are forced into legislativley , but how the bloody hell do you reply to a post and qoute only part of a previous post like multisync has done pleases tell all

[nike123]

but how the bloody hell do you reply to a post and qoute only part of a previous post like multisync has done pleases tell all

You mean like this.

When you hit quote button whole previous post is quoted.
Than you could erase part of text bearing in mind to not delete quote mark in square parentheses at begin of quote and /quote in square parentheses at end of quote.

If you wish to quote subsequently than you have quote tool at message composition window toolbar.
Mark text you wish to quote and hit quote tool.

Practice by hitting Preview post button
http://www.refrigeration-engineer.co....php?do=bbcode

[Quality]

You mean like this.

Thats it

Practice by hitting Preview post button
http://www.refrigeration-engineer.co....php?do=bbcode

I Think Ive got the hang of it

[Quality]

Thanks for that Nike123

[DALO]

Ok site moderator Frank. I appologise for my disparaging remarks on this site towards Multisink.
However he started the whinging theme so how about giving him the yellow card too.
Moving on. What i find astonishing is this. If the industry is crying out for mandatory legislations to be implemented and thats what the workforce want then why is there never a referendum for the guys in the industry to vote on. Its always some confounded moron who dreams up an idea and disguises his hidden agenda of money raising into a training course.
Now look im probably the average joe in my profession and ive got around 16 years of qualifications most of them voluntary, but does that really make me any more employable than the next man??? Does it mean i have a higher IQ level or im going to do the right thing? Am i going to hacksaw a copper pipe and let the refrigerant go to the sky? Or once ive been on this course will it completely change my behaviour?
I know umpteen guys who will cut a corner to make a quick profit.
How many times have you installed interconnecting cable multisink? Did you test it with a megger? Do you install the right circuit breaker? Check the fault current or fault loop impedance?? Ill bet there is plenty of fridgies out there doing their own wiring putting an electrician out of work.
My point is this, I would go on a training course every week but why should i pay for it. Companies are making enough profit, governments are taking their cuts so why dont they pay for it. Why dont we have in house training by our companies.
The answer is simple, the company you work for doesnt give a sod, theyd sooner put a 3rd or 4th year apprentice in a van and cut their wage bill.

While people like the aforementioned are very easily led its easy for these guys to take your money.
I think they call it dog whistling politics.
I find your attitude towards Doormaster terrible having served this industry much longer than you have. I dont think you give a sod about the industry you've just got a god complex, think your better than anyone who doesnt have the right paperwork and just because you have nothing better to do with your time and money think everybody else should do the same.
Thats your choice and good if its voluntary, but why should we take away Doormasters livliehood just because he doesnt know the difference between an isothermal or Adiabatic process??? What does it matter if he can recover refrigerant into a bottle and hang a cassette unit???? Its not rocket science.

[frank]

Well multystink or whatever your name is. The relevance to the UK is this. Australia implemented their system before the UK. Thus i think it would be a resonable guinea pig. Oh let me guess there is a totally different agenda in the UK and every British institution does things for nothing and the goodness of their heart.

Why are you so scared of these shonky tradesmen? Surely if your as good as you claim to be your employer will be able to distinguish between yourself and the impostors. Or are you just useless and like collecting pieces of paper and ID cards. Dont hide behing qualifications fat boy youll soon get found out.

How about you stop whinging get out there and start installing. If you dont want to do it then shut up and stop whinging about people pinching your livelihood.
If you dont like it leave the industry, noone will miss you your just a number.
I find it a little coincidental that your sat down on your photograph.
Just so you know i was in Australia well before Arctick came along and i can tell you this. We have a state license in every state. Arctick then masterminded a federal license. Why bother when you already have one?
The answer is now you have to pay twice.
There was a major contrast of opinion and many aussies refused to subscribe.
So its an offence to buy gas without one. Funnily enough its not an offence for any member of the public to buy a precharged unit from the local electrical store. Thats hardly regulating the industry is it?
Im all for training people. Ive got more qualifications than most, but dont waste my time showing me how to use a recovery machine or brazing every 3 years just to fuel a fiscal agenda.

Dear Mr DALO, or whatever your name is..........

Please do not insult other members of this forum.....state your case, argue, make your point etc, but, don't make personal attacks. We all have our own opinions, some you may agree with, others you may not. If you do not agree with a members opinion, it does not give you the right to make insults. We are generally a friendly, helpful membership - please do not spoil it.