C&g 2079

[marc5180]

I passed last Friday :-)

[Robert Hilton]

I was given mine in June. Passed the STEK in '94.

[Oilfilter]

Passed city & guilds 2079

[mupdook1]

passed C+G 2079 yesterday. phew!!!

[wazzer21]

Done in now How long dose it last is it for life

[paddyaircon]

Passed mine . Scary having someone watch over you while you work . Good Course all in all.

[leighboy]

all done and passed today 16/2/11 hrp rougham

[bobby blue shoe]

Passed J11 September 2010,

[frank]

Well done lads...hope you learned a little something along the way...

[gash]

passed mine a long time ago in 06 if i remember correctly

[leffe blonde]

passed mine in 2005,stafford

[druboy]

passed last week pointless if you ask me i passed the 2078 in 1998 and been in work since so if could not do the job would not be employed

[croc1774]

Passed today hooray

[RatsPom]

Passed today , well this evening at college. Thank heavens that's over with !!

[laird.d]

C&G 2079 Passed today..Big thankyou to Andy at Energy Solutions birmingham for doing a great job in tutoring us all through the course.

[W.Miller]

I've F-Gas but not C&G 2079. What is the difference?

[cool runings]

I've F-Gas but not C&G 2079. What is the difference?

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if you had the qual you would know??

What do you think F gas is?

2079 is a City & Guilds qual that meets the F gas standard.
J11 is a CITB qual that meets the F gas standard.

In the UK you need one or the other.

If you had one you should know??

Don't you think it would be wise knowing what you are qualified to???

coolrunnings.

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[W.Miller]

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if you had the qual you would know??

What do you think F gas is?

2079 is a City & Guilds qual that meets the F gas standard.
J11 is a CITB qual that meets the F gas standard.

In the UK you need one or the other.

If you had one you should know??

Don't you think it would be wise knowing what you are qualified to???

coolrunnings.

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I know what it is, I just wondered what the difference was. To me F-gas is F-gas. Yes i'm in the uk, I did mine business edge

[cool runings]

I know what it is, I just wondered what the difference was. To me F-gas is F-gas. Yes i'm in the uk, I did mine business edge

So what you are saying is....

You have done some F gas training and have a qualification but you do not
know what qual you have or what the differences are??

Makes me wonder how you passed the qual in the first place!!

coolrunnings

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[cool runings]

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My last comments sound harsh and I'm sorry that is how it must apear but
The refrigeration industry is my lively hood and anything or anyone who
lowers the quality or standards that we should work to worry me.

For example a few posts earlier there are guys saying I did it in 2005 or 2006
F gas (2079 - J11) has only be in effect since 2009, so what qualification
do some people think they have??

Plus there is a guy a few posts ago stating its a waste of time because he is
doing his job and therfore must be doing it right because he would not be employed
otherwise.

Well I'm telling you the standards out there are shocking...

There are so called qualified engineers who have never fitted gauges.
There are guys who do not know that gauges actualy show the saturation temp
of the refrigerant in the evap or cond.
There are guys that vac to the 30"hg scale on the compound (LP) gauge for 10 mins
and think that is sufficient.
Need I go on..............

We need standards in the industry and in my opinion F gas may not be the correct
standard but at least it is mandatory and will help bring up the standards within the trade.

So I will not say sorry for being passionate about my trade and about my knowledge and skill.

I think that all flares should be removed from AC and splits specificaly. I also think that the sooner
rfrigerants are only sold to qualified engineers the beter and no system should be
sold with a factory charge inside.

coolrunnings

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[W.Miller]

I think F-gas introduced more cowboys into the game then ever before. I thought it was suppose to improve things. To me it is refrigerant handling with a practical added on, I am also unhappy with other people from other tades gaining the qualification, it's not right. I have seen plumbers and sparkies that have got f-gas. It's not right and needs to be policed better.

I agree with the post above.

[Quality]

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F gas (2079 - J11) has only be in effect since 2009

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Slight correction there ,some of the first to be certified for 2079 was in oct/nov 2008 I know as was one of them
J11 was available from march 2009
I am also passionate or maybe a little anal

[cool runings]

Slight correction there ,some of the first to be certified for 2079 was in oct/nov 2008 I know as was one of them
J11 was available from march 2009
I am also passionate or maybe a little anal

No mate note anal, well not much anyway

But you are right the assessors and training staff went through
the qual first, sombody had to be the guiney pigs ..


All the best mate.....

coolrunnings

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[Tradewinds]

I have to agree with you W Miller. This is not a bridging course or fast track way into the RAC Industry. C&G training centres are actually meant to assess each candidate prior to doing the course to ensure they are suitable and therefore more likely to pass. Here's what the C&G 2079 handbook says:

City and Guilds Level 2 Award in F Gas and ODS Regulations (2079) Qualification handbook states under candidate requirements:

“ it is recommended that candidates should hold or be working towards the level 2 NVQ in Refrigeration and Air Conditioning, or an equivalent or higher qualification, in order to be able to satisfactorily complete the City & Guilds level 2 award in F Gas and ODS Regulations”. “Without evidence of formal qualifications, candidates must be able to demonstrate adequate prior knowledge and experience to ensure they have the potential to successfully gain the qualification”.

The problem is, when an assessment is done with integrity by an A1 qualified assessor, and he fails a student, then there is a financial implication to re-train the engineer and companies don't like having to fork out twice to get their guys qualified. If done correctly, the 2079 is a pretty tough course (both theory and practical) and I don't see how anyone without experience could get through it. Especially doing a CAT 1 Exam.

[Bigfreeze]

Passed C&G 2079 today. Not too much off a bother. Half day course to prep and dived in. Think you need a decent level of refrigeration knowledge to pass it but even the best fridgie on earth would get some of the questions wrong
because the answers make no sense to anyone. But its done and dusted and hopefully it will weed out some cowboys.

[andfield1]

C&G 2079 catagory 1

Passed 15/04/11 Thanks to Andy @ Energy Solutions for excellent 3 day course.

[Kev The Tool]

I agree tradewinds but i have to ask you how you feel about the CITB j11 qual, i personaly dont see the point of recommending that canditates should be qualified or working towards it to gain the 2079, when you can just slip in the back door and do a j11. i have posted my feelings on the j11 in other threads, i think the 2079 will sort the wheat from the chaff but if you fail the 2079 then you can do the open book CITB j11, does this not make a mockery of all of us who have studied and paid attention to our teachers over the years, and are trying to keep within the law from a moral point of view not a financial one.
Kev

[cool runings]

I agree tradewinds but i have to ask you how you feel about the CITB j11 qual, i personaly dont see the point of recommending that canditates should be qualified or working towards it to gain the 2079, when you can just slip in the back door and do a j11. i have posted my feelings on the j11 in other threads, i think the 2079 will sort the wheat from the chaff but if you fail the 2079 then you can do the open book CITB j11, does this not make a mockery of all of us who have studied and paid attention to our teachers over the years, and are trying to keep within the law from a moral point of view not a financial one.
Kev

Kev

I'm not sure why you think J11 is differant from 2079 because they
are almost identical in the level of knowledge and ability you have to
demonstrate to pass.

The CITB require you to do a practical that if anything is more demanding
than the City & Guilds one and as for the theory exam they are both to
the same standard. The only differance is C&G is closed book on a PC
and CITB is open book paper exam. C&G only require a 60% pass mark
but CITB require 100% to pass.

If you know of a cetre that is not conducting assessments according to the
correct standards, maybe you might need to take it up with the correct
authorities.

All the best

cool runnings

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[Kev The Tool]

an open book exam gives you the answers unless i am mistaken anyone can get 100% if you have the answers, all the guys i have spoken to who taken the j11 said it was a doddle anyone could pass. as for the practical how difficult is it to be taught how to pass a practical examination. i would be intriuged to see how many lads who have taken the j11 would pass the 2079, and why did they not do the 2079 instead.

[Quality]

Kev

I'm not sure why you think J11 is differant from 2079 because they
are almost identical in the level of knowledge and ability you have to
demonstrate to pass.

The CITB require you to do a practical that if anything is more demanding
than the City & Guilds one and as for the theory exam they are both to
the same standard. The only differance is C&G is closed book on a PC
and CITB is open book paper exam. C&G only require a 60% pass mark
but CITB require 100% to pass.

If you know of a cetre that is not conducting assessments according to the
correct standards, maybe you might need to take it up with the correct
authorities.

All the best

cool runnings

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Could not agree more

[Quality]

A closed book exam is a memory test

[cool runings]

an open book exam gives you the answers unless i am mistaken anyone can get 100% if you have the answers, all the guys i have spoken to who taken the j11 said it was a doddle anyone could pass. as for the practical how difficult is it to be taught how to pass a practical examination. i would be intriuged to see how many lads who have taken the j11 would pass the 2079, and why did they not do the 2079 instead.

Kev you might know of guys who said that the J11 is easy, but I
would be more concerned about where they did the assessment.

Because the J11 is open book does not automatically make it easy.

The 17th edition electrical exam is an open book exam so it is common
in training and assessment.

C&G need you to have a reasonable knowledge about all aspects of the refrigeration industry.

CITB need you to be able to find all the information you need to work in the refrigeration industry.

C&G is a one off assessment.
CITB is to be renewed every five years so you can keep your CPD
(Continued Profesional Development) upto date.

I would be more woried about the place or places they got the award
and also they are bragging that they were given the award, yet you
had to earn your qualification.

If that was me and I knew of people bragging about cheating the system,
I would not be happy and I would be tempted to let the people who need
to know, know about this.

Just my tupence worth, but people who lessen the standard and then brag
about it cheapen the hard work I put in to get my award.

All the best

coolrunnings

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[Kev The Tool]

i agree entirely cool runnings, it does annoy me when guys work hard to achieve and others just have to turn up and so called tutors are more concerned about pass rates than whether these people can do the job.
Just to add a bit about training facilities, when i did my 2078 years ago i was working for a reputable company and i did my training at a nationwide wholesalers, i sat with the tutor and did the questions then to my amazement he said you look like the kind of guy whos been doing this for years and you seem to know your stuff, so you dont need to do the practical. he then said that it was at his discretion who did the practical and who didn't. so i dont what happens nowadays is it just a numbers game with a lot of these training establishments.

[Tony]

so i dont what happens nowadays is it just a numbers game with a lot of these training establishments.

Kev The Tool,

I think everybody knows who you are talking about when you did your 2078, but please do not tar all of us training centres with the same brush.

Personnally we at our training centre do try to ensure only competent engineers pass the C&G 2079.

[monkey spanners]

an open book exam gives you the answers unless i am mistaken anyone can get 100% if you have the answers, all the guys i have spoken to who taken the j11 said it was a doddle anyone could pass. as for the practical how difficult is it to be taught how to pass a practical examination. i would be intriuged to see how many lads who have taken the j11 would pass the 2079, and why did they not do the 2079 instead.

Hi Kev,

I did the J11 and got 100% first time, though some others had to go over some questions again to get a pass mark. These things, the J11 and C&G aren't a test of the knowledge you were born with, they are to see if, after some training if neccessary (i did the three day course but there was a five day for those new to the industry), you reach the minimum standard the industry requires.

Its odd how you take a dim view of the CITB as you seem to think its too easy, i tend to think it shows i'm more commited to the industry, i'm happy to take time off to keep up with new developements and be retested every few years compared to possibly only having to sit one test your whole working life!

Jon

[Kev The Tool]

tony, i was in a certain centre on a certain day, im not saying this is common practice, but i have just done a skills asessment for an australian visa and they are mega strict, there was 5 other lads there, 3 of them were service guys and to say they were sh*t is an understatement, one fault was a restricted drier 2 out of the 3 didnt get it at all, the other asked one of the other lads, the next was a incorrectly wired capacitor on an ac split none of them got it. bread and butter stuff. all 3 had done the citb test and passed so i rest my case.
kev

[Quality]

2079 is not for life anyway. It started as 2077 then 2078 then 2079
Just similar to 2381 to 2382 ie. 16th to 17th edition.
When the 2079 came out, part of it was based on BS EN 278 2000. Which Most of us know has been replaced with BS EN 378 2008 (which is what the relevant parts of J11 are based on).
So basicaly parts of the 2079 knowledge assessment is based on a standard which no longer exists.

Que the 2080 or whatever

[djbe]

[QUOTE=Kev The Tool;230152]i agree entirely cool runnings, it does annoy me when guys work hard to achieve and others just have to turn up and so called tutors are more concerned about pass rates than whether these people can do the job.
Just to add a bit about training facilities, when i did my 2078 years ago i was working for a reputable company and i did my training at a nationwide wholesalers, i sat with the tutor and did the questions then to my amazement he said you look like the kind of guy whos been doing this for years and you seem to know your stuff, so you dont need to do the practical. he then said that it was at his discretion who did the practical and who didn't. so i dont what happens nowadays is it just a numbers game with a lot of these training establishments.[/QUOTe

Nearly everyone I speak to did their 2078 with this tutor including me! Everytime the same story. Just think of the dough he could or should of made out of that quick turnaround.

[leffe blonde]

passed 2079,today polar pumps.(previous one was mistake should have been 2078)

[budgio]

Managed to pass C&G 2079 today.
Needed lots of revision after working on just ice machines for the last 12yrs.
2 day course HIGHLY recommended.
I personally found the practical side of the assesment trickier than the theory.

[alan 07]

passed last week did two day course but could of done it in one alot easier then i expected did plenty of revision though

[harte25]

passed c&g 2079 june 2009

[Cooldave]

Passed J11 today ok for another five years

[spamfish]

Passed my C&G 2079 this morning.....yippee

[oldtimer]

upassed c&g 2009 today but some questions put in to trip you up so read the question a few times

[oldtimer]

sorry checked today with trainer . at present new 2079 has no date limit ie when it expires just send for new one and £40 cost for update

[r.bartlett]

We all passed today down at Bath College.

Now I need to register the company as 100% compliant..Anyone who how that works??

[Kev The Tool]

well done Richard, i e-mailed refcom with my certificate number and they updated my satus to full member. suprisingly it was free but i had to pay £10 for 2 stickers to light my van up even more. lol

[TRASH101]

I have eventually got round to taking the C&G 2079 and passed. My nerves have just about settled

[cadwaladr]

passed mine last week,a little tricky i will wait and see if any wholesalers ask for it i shudder when i meet other engineers? in the spares shop .it was very informative the coarse now to pass on to my clients the legal side of it,by the way you can still buy 134a from halfords i will check on the 5th of july if they still do and will ask them do i need any training /qualifications to put it in my friends car a/c system,