Results 1 to 9 of 9
  1. #1
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    The Netherlands
    Age
    48
    Posts
    274
    Rep Power
    22

    Capillary tube calculator: surface tension of various refrigerants



    A common question that pops up amongst us overclockers is 'What size captube do I need?', or even worse: 'I have captube XXX; how long does it need to be?'
    To answer those questions, there are tables with information, such as the Cubigel captube sizing table.

    I tried to pour that table with some interpolation into a nice easy-to-use piece of software. I normalised the values in those tables to 1mm I.D. captube, and plotted the data to see what function could be used for interpolation. Then I noticed that there are large jumps in the plot, so it it no good.

    Further research pointed me to a model developed by Wolff et al. (1995). They used the Buckingham pi theorem to predict mass flow. According to them, less than 1% of the experimental results was more than 5% off from the predicted values. Now, that's close enough. And estimating refrigeration capacity from mass flow is no big deal once you know parameters like subcooling and evaporation temperature. Thus, it seems like a good model to pour into a piece of software.

    Wolff's model only uses a parameter which I cannot find in refrigerant datasheets: the surface tension.

    Who can provide this parameter for various refrigerants?



  2. #2
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    St. Louis, MO
    Posts
    509
    Rep Power
    24
    Surface tension values for many refrigerants can be obtained from the NIST RefProp program. One can also write code to query the RefProp DLL to obtain these values. Also, as the Prof recalls, the ASHRAE thermophysical properities of refrigerants guide has correlations for surface tension.
    Prof Sporlan

  3. #3
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    The Netherlands
    Age
    48
    Posts
    274
    Rep Power
    22
    And where could a DIY guy obtain the RefProp program or the correlations mentioned in the ASHRAE manual?

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    St. Louis, MO
    Posts
    509
    Rep Power
    24
    Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. (Matthew 7:7)

    The Prof finds these values for saturated liquid:

    Temp (°F) s (lbf/ft)
    -40 0.001236
    -20 0.001113
    0 0.000992
    20 0.000973
    40 0.000758
    60 0.000646
    80 0.000538
    100 0.000433
    Prof Sporlan

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    St. Louis, MO
    Posts
    509
    Rep Power
    24
    Quoted from a book that, when all things added up, means nothing... Prof
    A fine source of adages, regardless of one's beliefs.
    Prof Sporlan

  6. #6
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    The Netherlands
    Age
    48
    Posts
    274
    Rep Power
    22
    Originally posted by Prof Sporlan
    The Prof finds these values for saturated liquid:
    Can I use these values for all the refrigerants? More specific: is the difference in surface tension between various refrigerants low enough to be insignificant?

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    St. Louis, MO
    Posts
    509
    Rep Power
    24
    Can I use these values for all the refrigerants?
    It would be better for your cap tube calculator to use actual values. The Prof has tables for a number of refrigerants.
    Prof Sporlan

  8. #8
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    The Netherlands
    Age
    48
    Posts
    274
    Rep Power
    22
    Originally posted by Prof Sporlan
    It would be better for your cap tube calculator to use actual values. The Prof has tables for a number of refrigerants.
    Is it possible to send me a set of tables? Personally I think that a cap tube calculation tool would be handy for many people, not just overclockers.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    St. Louis, MO
    Posts
    509
    Rep Power
    24
    For one sizing cap tubes, the complete book will be handy:

    Thermophysical Properties of Refrigerants
    Prof Sporlan

Similar Threads

  1. Capillary tube prices in the UK
    By trial in forum Fundamentals
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 18-09-2007, 12:16 PM
  2. :rolleyes: capillary tube size in distributor?
    By abbasi in forum New Technologies
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 08-07-2006, 03:56 PM
  3. metric capillary tube
    By tralex in forum Fundamentals
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 21-02-2006, 06:57 AM
  4. Superheat in Capillary tube systems
    By setrite in forum Technical Speculations
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 20-06-2002, 12:08 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •