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    energy saving tips

    http://www.aps.com/main/services/bus...ToSave_59.html

    can you add more ?

    the one who comes with more than 3 tips... gets a meal when he travels in Romania.
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    Re: energy saving tips

    Energy saving is easy. Turn the unit off and no energy is used.
    If all else fails, ask for help.


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    Re: energy saving tips

    Quote Originally Posted by US Iceman View Post
    Energy saving is easy. Turn the unit off and no energy is used.
    I think that you are just win the prize!

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    Re: energy saving tips

    conclusion:
    Romania is not such a great travel destination !

    In my opinion, good maintenance is the best energy saving.
    Last edited by cruzeiros; 27-03-2008 at 10:39 AM.
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    Re: energy saving tips

    Operation cost is more than 60% in Life cycle cost, hence focus should be on operation for saving energy as it will recurring.

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    Re: energy saving tips

    S**t,

    Just missed a good lunch in Romania......

    I'll just switch on the unit instead....

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    Re: energy saving tips

    Quote Originally Posted by Sridhar1312 View Post
    Operation cost is more than 60% in Life cycle cost, hence focus should be on operation for saving energy as it will recurring.
    Maybe in the United States, but electricity is 5 times more expensive here (the U.S equivalent of $0.50/kWh), so almost all of the life cycle cost of A/C here is electricity. The electric bill is so scary that it makes people scream when they see it.
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    Re: energy saving tips

    The article is largely aimed at Supermarket and similar. Energy opportunities are usually site and operation specific though the easiest way to get management involved is to have them read about it somewhere.

    All of the big winners in this area have involved something that a) already existed and b) was really dumb the first day it existed. Many of the opportunities are there when people are not present; especially when you look at the low-load performance of high capacity systems.

    As example: years ago, a major cold storage chain found that their lighting was on 24-hours a day. Why? Cause those old fluorescents, at CSW temperatures, took 100 min. to reach full intensity if they ever got there...So they were simply never turned off.

    Replacement was: Shatter Proof Mercury Halide lights. 8-min to full intensity with the quick fire, polycarbonate housed ballasts even at low temperature. 168 hours per week of 6-sq ft per watt went down to 50 hours a week at 9 sq ft per watt; and those watts are a load on the refrigeration as well.

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    Re: energy saving tips

    Many people are focused only on energy efficient design of refrigeration plant. However, our goal in energy savings is efficient operation.
    Assume that we have defrost control and floating head pressure control as mentioned in these tips. How should we set these controls to get maximum energy savings?

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    Better late than never!

    If your defrost can be ran at anytime you can get fewer defrosts by defrosting based on liquid run time rather than defrost clocks. Keeping your head pressure at wetbulb and increasing the pressure to a predetermined defrost point only for defrost time is another saver. The head pressure can be increasing during coil pumpdown. A defrost termination can be used to terminate a defrost before the defrost timer has expired. This is initiated if the coil temp reached a predetermined temperature for some period of time. Say you have a defrost time set for 40 minutes, say after 20 minutes the coil temp is at 60degF, if it stays there for say 10 minutes the defrost can be stopped about 10 minutes early. Demand defrost can also be used where coil and room parameters are monitored to determine if a defrost is needed. After the defrost has ended fans should stir the are for a period of time before making any fan speed or BPR (if aplicable) adjustments.

    Lots of other energy ideas:
    This first one costs nothing
    Reduce system lift (delta between suction and discharge)
    Reduce compressor part load operation. Make sure smallest compressor is the one trimming while the larger ones stay loaded. Too many operators have multiple compressors running part loaded much of the time. If you start trimming with the smallest machine you can save alot. (add a VFD to that trim machine and it can run loaded more often also) This saves in a couple of ways first you will be able to have less compressors running. Second once a screw Slide valve goes below 95% the efficiency of the compressors work drops dramatically.
    Upgrade as much equipment as you can to latest efficient motors.
    Insulate better and add more efficient lighting.

    If building a system or retrofiting.
    Go with larger sized piping and larger condenser capacity.
    Add VFD to condenser and evaporator fans.
    Use milti stage compression, liquid subcooling
    Have thermosiphon cooling on compressors
    reduce/eliminate non-condensibles
    Use flexible computer control

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeanMack View Post
    Better late than never!

    If your defrost can be ran at anytime you can get fewer defrosts by defrosting based on liquid run time rather than defrost clocks. Keeping your head pressure at wetbulb and increasing the pressure to a predetermined defrost point only for defrost time is another saver. The head pressure can be increasing during coil pumpdown. A defrost termination can be used to terminate a defrost before the defrost timer has expired. This is initiated if the coil temp reached a predetermined temperature for some period of time. Say you have a defrost time set for 40 minutes, say after 20 minutes the coil temp is at 60degF, if it stays there for say 10 minutes the defrost can be stopped about 10 minutes early. Demand defrost can also be used where coil and room parameters are monitored to determine if a defrost is needed. After the defrost has ended fans should stir the are for a period of time before making any fan speed or BPR (if aplicable) adjustments.

    Lots of other energy ideas:
    This first one costs nothing
    Reduce system lift (delta between suction and discharge)
    Reduce compressor part load operation. Make sure smallest compressor is the one trimming while the larger ones stay loaded. Too many operators have multiple compressors running part loaded much of the time. If you start trimming with the smallest machine you can save alot. (add a VFD to that trim machine and it can run loaded more often also) This saves in a couple of ways first you will be able to have less compressors running. Second once a screw Slide valve goes below 95% the efficiency of the compressors work drops dramatically.
    Upgrade as much equipment as you can to latest efficient motors.
    Insulate better and add more efficient lighting.

    If building a system or retrofiting.
    Go with larger sized piping and larger condenser capacity.
    Add VFD to condenser and evaporator fans.
    Use milti stage compression, liquid subcooling
    Have thermosiphon cooling on compressors
    reduce/eliminate non-condensibles
    Use flexible computer control
    1. Liquid run time. What is the setting should be? 4,8,24,48 hours. This is only one variable of rate of frost formation. Humidity in cold room and temperature difference is others.
    2. Increase pressure for defrost. I prefer don't increase. Large plant with many coils will run on defrost pressure continuously.
    3. Reduce system lift. Don't agree. This lift should be optimum. Criteria is total plant power use.
    4. Fight compressor partload. Agree.
    5. Below 95% efficiency of compressor drop dramatically. Don't agree. Typically efficiency reduction is linear down to 50%. It will reduce exponentially below 50%.
    Certainly, we can use many ways to save energy. Just 2 questions. What is the payback? How much energy will be saved? Some measures have long payback, others will save little energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Segei View Post
    1. Liquid run time. What is the setting should be? 4,8,24,48 hours. This is only one variable of rate of frost formation. Humidity in cold room and temperature difference is others.
    2. Increase pressure for defrost. I prefer don't increase. Large plant with many coils will run on defrost pressure continuously.
    3. Reduce system lift. Don't agree. This lift should be optimum. Criteria is total plant power use.
    4. Fight compressor partload. Agree.
    5. Below 95% efficiency of compressor drop dramatically. Don't agree. Typically efficiency reduction is linear down to 50%. It will reduce exponentially below 50%.
    Certainly, we can use many ways to save energy. Just 2 questions. What is the payback? How much energy will be saved? Some measures have long payback, others will save little energy.
    1. Liquid run time.
    The operator would adjust the hours based on room conditions (RH etc), he would tune his system. So he would answer the questions by trial, how few of defrosts can I get by with. Typically (though not always possible) 1 to 2 defrost a day at most. However some plants can only defrosts at exact times each day and thus liquid time is not a viable option. However any operator can probably lower his defrost times. Typically HG entering the coil returns to the compressor ready to use as a liquid but as the defrost winds down and the coil temp rises the HG returns to the compressor needing to be recompressed placing a significant increase in load.

    2. Increase pressure for defrost.
    The idea is not to increase pressure during defrost but to allow for a reduction when not in defrost (90-100psi). Granted there are plants where they may not be able to lower their head pressure, however, the vast majority can and most with some kind of computer control do. Generally 12 or 24 hours of liquid time is used.

    2. Reduce system Lift
    In a, NH3 refrigeration system the efficiency of a compressor increases about 1.5 to 2% per degree of reduction in condensing pressure. This magnitude is dependent on the operating pressure ratio of the compressor. The question is do I want to work a 30 HP condenser fan/pump harder or a 300HP compressor. I think generally the plant savings is in the compressor. Optimally running the highest suction possible and the lowest discharge. Keep that delta down. The number of run hours on some compressors will go down also.

    5. Below 95% efficiency of compressor drop dramatically.
    The efficiency of "all" industrial compressors degrades as they operate at a fraction of full load capacity. The plotted curve is totally non linear. For example when a SV reaches 10% the power used by the compressor is still well above 50%, virtually no work being done yet large amounts of energy cost incurred. As far as over the range of the SV, at 90% SV the tonnage of a compressor drops to around 80% and the power is way up around 95%. At 75% SV the tonnage is at about 60% and the power is about 85%. At 50% SV the tonnage is at around 35% and the power around 70%. This shows a definite non-linear curve. You can easily check the power by hooking up a KW meter while unloading the SV. So now you know the power and the SV position the unknown is the amount of work the compressor is doing at that point. In the past manufacturers were only concerned about full load rating for compressor design. With the rise in energy awareness part-load has become more prominent. While part-load ratings are presented far less often then full load ratings they are possible. Most manufacturers offer rating software that allows detailed part-load curves to be developed and documented. Just crunch the numbers from the manufacturers curve fit equations and see the results.

    What is the payback?
    1. Time Savings. Less maintenance (less run hours)
    2. Lots of money saved. A lot of money can be had in incentive payback from utilities. The utilities know these things work as their power meters don't lie. Thus they give substantial rebates to companies that implement the above regimes (these are tried, proven and documented) Examples
    A) Installation Cost - 410,000
    Incentive rebates - 213,500
    documented energy savings before/after 58% reduction (1,140,000 kWh/yr) or 51,000 per year in cheap Pacific NW power. Could be 4 times that savings back east.
    B) Cost - 241,777
    Incentive - 100,000
    Energy savings 34%, 1,939,000kWh/yr, 77,700. Again NW rates of around 3-4 cents per kWh.
    C) Cost $310,000
    Incentive 127,000 plus state tax breaks of up to 108,000,
    energy savings 40%, 2,000,000 kWh/yr, 75,500 per year in savings from there on.
    There are many more. Typically if an existing plant will make an effort to operate more efficiently they can easily save 25% in energy cost and more likely closer to 50%. Some plants can save money with no expenditures, simply smarter and aggressive control techniques. The problem with most operators is they don't pay the bills. They have no incentive to see to what extremes they can go and still maintain product quality.

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    Mike.
    I think that Hench representatives should tell you about optimum wet bulb approach. However, if you want to get more information about this issue, you can go on my website www.skenergy.ca I have 70+ newsletters related to energy savings. You can ask questions at this forum as well.

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    When not in use. That rule still applies, and in fact this is one of the golden rules for energy efficiency at home. Even as simple as dragging television when not in use, unplug chargers when you’re done with the cargo, and disconnecting all devices not in use. Can you even in standby mode still consumes energy and made a number of devices in standby and connected can still consume a large amount of energy.

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    To save energy at home, you can use again and again and be able to recycle more to save energy at home. You can also decide that you buy and save energy to turn. You can also find alternatives and, alternative energy, which is much cheaper to find.

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    Re: energy saving tips

    Two tips I forgot to add: Program the thermostat to turn the unit on briefly (daily) and then back off before you get home from work, but only if you have the tendency to leave the unit on because you don't want to wait for it to cool. This means that you can be cooled as soon as you get home.

    * Purchase window blinds that you can close during summer days to block out sunlight (hence some heat), and open during the winter to let in sunlight when you need heat.
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    Another great way to reduce energy costs and associated carbon emissions is through voltage optimisation. Is this something you guys have heard of before? It essentially lowers the incoming voltage to your premises to more accordingly match the electrical start up of your appliances. Powerstar have helped a number of big named companies reduce their energy consumption through voltage optimization including Australian based cold chain manufacturer SWIRES,and Leed’s based refrigeration service Tdg.

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    Re: energy saving tips

    Some residential tips from my website:

    * Set up reflective window tints (such as the quantum type)
    * Use a pedestal fan that is at least 16 inches wide and point it at yourself, the small fans are not effective. In order for a fan to be effective it is to be the right size and should be pointed at you, the user.
    * Place the pedestal fan in front of the air conditioner, turn the thermostat temperature up to turn the compressor down, and have the fan blow the slightly cooled air on you.
    * You can also use the 16 inch pedestal fan anywhere in an air conditioned room to benefit from the cooling effect of a fan + the air conditioned air. Remember, the fan is to be pointed at you. Using it to circulate the air in a room is not nearly as effective.
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    Oh this is great! A centralized location for energy saving links! Thanks so much! I am always looking for ways to save money, now I have lots of ideas!

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