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Thread: Water flowcalc
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22-02-2008, 08:54 PM #1
Water flowcalc
I have the pipe dia and the water flow in l/s. Hoe do I measure the actual flow with only a pressure guage
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22-02-2008, 09:17 PM #2
Re: Water flowcalc
You need an orifice to enable you to measure a pressure differential.
Brian - Newton Abbot, Devon, UK
Retired March 2015
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22-02-2008, 09:20 PM #3
Re: Water flowcalc
How does one convert l/s into kpa. We have the pipe dia in mm
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22-02-2008, 09:33 PM #4
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22-02-2008, 09:36 PM #5
Re: Water flowcalc
OK so how does one determin that the flow rate in a system is as it is designed. What is the correct instrument that should be used?
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22-02-2008, 09:38 PM #6
Re: Water flowcalc
KPA is a measure of pressure.
l/s is a measure of flow......
Under certain given condition there will be a relationship between them.
Therefore you would have to put one in to a formula to calculate the other.
(That formula will depend on measuring device used)
But you will not be able to "convert" one to the other.
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22-02-2008, 09:41 PM #7
Re: Water flowcalc
It's impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious...
Don't ever underestimate the power of stupid people when they are in large groups.
Please, don't teach me how to be stupid....
No job is as important as to jeopardize the safety of you or those that you work with.
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22-02-2008, 09:56 PM #8
Re: Water flowcalc
Click on THIS link.
That document shows a balancing valve with built in measuring point.
After that has been installed, you would measure the pressure drop between the 2 ports (pointing down from the valve body in the colour picture).The Red port would read a slightly higher pressure than the Blue one.
Then you would be able to find out the flow by checking the pressure drop against a graph supplied by the valve manufacturer.
(THIS is the type of pressure meter you would require for the job.)
But there are other ways of measuring water flows, as Jossip says, use a water flow meter. These could be piped in, ultrasonic, magnetic and so on.Last edited by The Viking; 22-02-2008 at 10:03 PM.
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22-02-2008, 10:01 PM #9
Re: Water flowcalc
whell to be more streghit, to messure a flow u need a pressure diff, and a pipe diamenther, because withe one pressure gage u only have one pressure, so the system might be on a hight presure on a low pressure, depending and the building hight, and pressure loss on the fan coil, or whatever u have.
So ... by nessuring the the difference u reduce the problem to one pressure, and u get the formula for how muth whater flow do u get for that dyamenther on that pressure.
And that's the closest u get to what a flow mether calculates
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22-02-2008, 10:06 PM #10
Re: Water flowcalc
It's impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious...
Don't ever underestimate the power of stupid people when they are in large groups.
Please, don't teach me how to be stupid....
No job is as important as to jeopardize the safety of you or those that you work with.
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22-02-2008, 11:01 PM #11
Re: Water flowcalc
I wonder if he means that he has the design flow rate ?
Brian - Newton Abbot, Devon, UK
Retired March 2015
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23-02-2008, 06:32 PM #12
Re: Water flowcalc
To mearsure the flow correctly you need to know the design pressure drop and measure the actual drop with a pressure gauge or perflow meter, in a binder point near the point you are measuring.. on and off..
So i.e. if you have the design pressure drop divide this by the actual pressure drop you read, then square root it..times this by the design flow rate this will then give you the actual flow rate in l/s..but remember the temp diff you are looking for, this will have an effect on the flow rate. So not as easy as just reading a flow rate....
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24-02-2008, 04:33 PM #13
Re: Water flowcalc
Hi Viking,
thats looks like a nice flow meter!
Are they accurate & do you know how much they cost?
Billy Ray
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24-02-2008, 06:18 PM #14
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Accurate, YES
Cost...An arm and a leg and then some, we normally rent them.
But if you contact BSRIA they will be able to quote you. (www.bsria.co.uk)
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24-02-2008, 06:19 PM #15
Re: Water flowcalc
A mass flow meter is used to measure pressure differantial across a orfice or a pressure differantial.It requires 2 access points and a thermocouple for temperature. Mine has a pressure accuracy of .02 psi.
Or you can use a non-invasive Doppler/ultrasound to measure the flow rate inside the pipe/tube. The hand held one I have has a sensor that straps to the pipe,it runs on 45 volt (5 - 9v batteries). The doppler shift picks up any bubbles or turbulance to give a reading in feet per second.Then by using a simple formula you can calulate the flow.Last edited by wdrzal; 24-02-2008 at 08:04 PM.
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25-02-2008, 01:30 AM #16
Re: Water flowcalc
If using a flow meter you need to ensure the instrument is not connected right after an elbow or control valve also. These introduce inaccuracies that can lead to incorrect readings.
If all else fails, ask for help.
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25-02-2008, 02:14 PM #17
Re: Water flowcalc
Thanks Viking,
Billy ray
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