A refrigeration engineer idiot?
Well, today I went to the automotive parts store to pick up a fan belt. While chatting with one of the managers, the manager told me that a 'refrigeration guy' bought a R134a conversion kit for a walk-in cooler. I can only postulate that the 'guy' didn't have a license or proper equipment. The USEPA needs to address this problem as I'm sure the 'guy' didn't do the job properly nor affix the proper refrigerant labels. (True Story)
I cannot help but wonder if that engineer 'guy' was a member of the following organization?
Special Corporation (of) Refrigeration Engineer Wizeguys
Or S.C.R.E.W. for short?
Maybe someone could check into this practice?
?????
Zolar
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Originally posted by zolar1
Well, today I went to the automotive parts store to pick up a fan belt. While chatting with one of the managers, the manager told me that a 'refrigeration guy' bought a R134a conversion kit for a walk-in cooler. I can only postulate that the 'guy' didn't have a license or proper equipment. The USEPA needs to address this problem as I'm sure the 'guy' didn't do the job properly nor affix the proper refrigerant labels. (True Story)
I cannot help but wonder if that engineer 'guy' was a member of the following organization?
Special Corporation (of) Refrigeration Engineer Wizeguys
Or S.C.R.E.W. for short?
Maybe someone could check into this practice?
?????
Zolar
Reminds me of a guy I heard about somewhere who selects compressors by locked-rotor amps!
You know, I never found out whether that guy ever became a better tech by working at improving his knowledge. I wonder.
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Were fridge techs and I don't reckon we pose a threat to anyone
On the contrary, dear watson. As fridge techs, or engineers, we pose a great risk, ie. if we don't know what we're doing!
Have you forgotten the explosion in Stevenage?
I suspect that the person who sadly died in that accident was correctly trained, but in a moment of complacency (and we all get too complacent at times) made a fatal error resulting in what happened!
But even looking past the accident factor, have you forgotten about the ODP of most refrigerants? If some ignorant person comes along and wants to move his ac unit, cuts the pipes which results in all the gas escaping, never mind the possibility of injuring himself, he has just added to the greenhouse effect. This effects everybody on the planet.
Luckily this does not happen very often, now imagine if you had every joe soap trying his hand, unsupervised, at our game!
As you very well know, there are loads of laws and regulations that govern us. It's just unfortunate that they are not regulated a little stricter.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for learning and bettering oneself,( I am in the middle of studying an HNC in refrigeration.) but if somebody really wants to learn, then he should do it through the correct channels and not be a cowboy. That is how our trade gets its bad name!!!
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Here in Cincinnati, Ohio (USA), MOST if not all of the 'scrappers' and Home Warranty Repairmen just cut lines and 'let it go'.
I have contacted the US EPA, but it seems my notices have gone unanswered. I even gave names, dates, times, and places of the offenders and what they did.
Sure, R22 isn't as bad as some refrigerants, but it all adds up. And there is absolutely NO requirement or licensing for the DIY'ers to obtain R134a nor is there ANY requirement for them to recover used R134a.
According to the Montreal Pact, it specifically states that all refrigerant handlers be licensed and all refrigerants are to be recovered.
The US signed that agreement, but it seems that this is one part that is largely ignored.
Can someone please explain how this can be?
R134a does have an ODP number, and therefore contributes to the greenhouse effect.
Regarding Coolie, he is considered small fry in that he only uses very small quantities. I personally would go after the flagrant violations that the scrappers here commit, and leave the small fry alone.
Also, all the used appliances dealers here in Cincinnati just cut lines and let the refrigerant escape into the atmosphere, except one - one of them I use my recovery machine so they are in compliance.
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Back before all of the environmental BS, regulations, licensing, etc., the pros prospered and the DIYers and hacks were good for the service side of the industry, screwing things up thus generating lots of extra work for the people who knew what they were doing.
The only thing that has changed is the government has gotten richer and more intrusive, taxing, regulating, and licensing everything that moves.
Now if I could just get the government to make my books mandatory. Hmmmmmm... Postulate a theory of doom and gloom in the distant future... Get Hollywood to make a few scorched Earth movies... Contribute to both parties... Show the politicians how this can be taxed outrageously... Hmmmmmm...
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Regarding Coolie, he is considered small fry in that he only uses very small quantities
What I was implying was: That as refrigeration/ aircon engineer we pose a great risk........and whatever else I said. I was only using the words of Aiyub.
So for the record I'd just like to state that I am not small fry and I would go after every violation as it all adds up.
Maybe you should wonder why The USA refused to sign the Kyoto Protocol. Go
here to have a read up on it.
Now, I am not sure if America has since signed on but it still make for interesting debate as to why they were so reluctant to do so initially.
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Follow the link to visist the official Kyoto Protocol website.
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Please forgive me if I offended anyone.
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Originally Posted by zolar1
Please forgive me if I offended anyone.
Don't worry my friend, no offence was taken! :D
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On the contrary, dear watson. As fridge techs, or engineers, we pose a great risk, ie. if we don't know what we're doing!
Have you forgotten the explosion in Stevenage?
Coolie
I see my name being " bandied" around so Ill sit up and take notice
Now Coolie or dear watson.........????? :eek:
I said..............were fridge techs................not DIY'ers, cowboys, give it a go Fred, newbies, students, or whatever else
By fridge tech, I assume youre time served, qualified with relevant licensing and certifications.......
If you are...........then you pose little threat, because you know what you doing and comply with Health and Safety regs, Montreal Protocol, Kyoto, ( unless youre American, in the case of Kyoto) and whatever other treaties/ laws, are in place
By the way...........I wish you well with your studies, welcome to the industry
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Originally Posted by Aiyub
Coolie
I see my name being " bandied" around so Ill sit up and take notice
Now Coolie or dear watson.........????? :eek:
I hope I did not offend you as that is not what I was trying to achieve, I was just trying to get my point across!
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Originally Posted by Aiyub
By fridge tech, I assume youre time served, qualified with relevant licensing and certifications.......
Yes I am
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By the way...........I wish you well with your studies, welcome to the industry
Thank you.
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Originally Posted by Coolie
Maybe you should wonder why The USA refused to sign the Kyoto Protocol. Go
here to have a read up on it.
Some interesting extracts/quotes of the article but why tyhey not signed is already long known an very, very simple and proved again by this article: money, money and own profits.
The US, on the other hand, contributes to one-fourth of the world's total greenhouse gas emissions. The total carbon dioxide emissions from one US citizen in 1996 were 19 times the emissions of one Indian. US emissions in total are still more than double those from China.
Furthermore, the U.S. for over 20 to 25 percent of the world's carbon dioxide emissions, for just 4 to 5 percent of the world's population.
This amounts to demanding a freeze on global inequity, where rich countries stay rich, and poor countries stay poor, since carbon dioxide emissions are closely linked to GDP growth.
Business interests, as mentioned above have constantly resulted in strong lobbying in Washington, as well. Bush's announcement resulted in almost world-wide condemnation and many pointed to Bush's controversial election which included backing and contribution of millions of dollars by the oil industry, as factors in this decision.
...all members of the European Union have already signed.
USA is the most powerful and influential country in the world (and incidentally, the worst polluter).
a group of large businesses concerned at their bottom line if the Kyoto Protocol was signed), making it harder for Washington to sign.
The Global Climate Coalition has recently seen some of its prominent members drop out, such as Shell and BP, ....Ford, Dupont, Daimler Chrysler, Texaco, General Motors....
Abandonment of the Global Climate Coalition by leading companies is partly in response to the mounting evidence that the world is indeed getting warmer. The 15 warmest years in the last century have occurred since 1980. Ice is melting on every continent. The snow/ice pack in the Rockies, the Andes, the Alps, and the Himalayas is shrinking. The volume of the ice cap covering the Arctic Ocean has shrunk by more than 40 percent over the last 35 years. To deny that Earth is getting warmer in the face of such compelling evidence is to risk a loss of credibility, something that corporations cannot readily afford."
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The world has been getting warmer and colder since the beginning of time. People deal with it. They always have. Only recently have the would-be global dictators used this as an excuse to take our money and micro-manage our lives.
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just a thought, there have been at least three ice ages and the last one had ice over a mile thick in my locality. before that it was a desert creating dunes hundreds of feet high. did the cave men have fridges then ? dill.
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The US ...contributes to one-fourth of the world's total greenhouse gas emissions. The total carbon dioxide emissions from one US citizen in 1996 were 19 times the emissions of one Indian. US emissions in total are still more than double those from China.
Furthermore, the U.S. for over 20 to 25 percent of the world's carbon dioxide emissions, for just 4 to 5 percent of the world's population.
I suppose that the analysis of the consumption of legumes by the third world is not considered in the data regarding green house gasses.
If the earth-warming gasses weren't produced by the life forms and geological processes of nature (ahem, 'evil humans' are an integral part of the nature in which they exist), I guess then everyone would be complaining of the oncoming ice age!
heehee :p
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Hi Fish
Nice to see you back - everything OK? :)
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I agree with what Aiyub has said. This is dangerous thinking. Here in the US it can be seen exibited by the Unions. They would have it that jobs be labeled Union only, with Non-Union contractors unable to even bid on the projects. The bottom line is every one pays taxes, and at the end of the day we are all just a bunch of guys trying to make a living. If an entity is "fly-by-night" and doesen't take care of the issues caused by their own service, they will not be in business for long. Only reputable companys remain. Reputation goes a long way, word does get around. If someone is running around and doing "hack" work, what should be done is to regroup and address the situation. Make your customers want to pay for, and appreciate the quality service that you provide. I have found that at the end of the day, when the **** hits the fan, they know who to call. The guy that can get it done and has access to the right parts.
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Originally Posted by Gary
The world has been getting warmer and colder since the beginning of time. People deal with it. They always have. Only recently have the would-be global dictators used this as an excuse to take our money and micro-manage our lives.
Gary,
We " puny" human beings cause only a dent in the scheme of things.......The world or nature is far bigger then all of us......
And yes, as you say, the big shepherds with their collies.........do a grand job herding the flock into pens.........
its called.............The New World Order........
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What I was implying was: That as refrigeration/ aircon engineer we pose a great risk........and whatever else I said. I was only using the words of Aiyub.
I know this posting is as old as dry toast.............but what the heck.....
I tell you Coolie who poses a great risk, or were posing a risk........it was industrial polluters..........guys who vented the stuff sky high.
So, a fellow tech gets killed in Stevenage...........May his soul rest in peace................that is one death.........I know, one death too many.......
But in context, lets not go crack acorns with sledgehammers......
I maintain still that we guys pose little threat..........
Dont let " them" fool you
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Originally posted by zolar1
Well, today I went to the automotive parts store to pick up a fan belt. While chatting with one of the managers, the manager told me that a 'refrigeration guy' bought a R134a conversion kit for a walk-in cooler. I can only postulate that the 'guy' didn't have a license or proper equipment. The USEPA needs to address this problem as I'm sure the 'guy' didn't do the job properly nor affix the proper refrigerant labels. (True Story)
I cannot help but wonder if that engineer 'guy' was a member of the following organization?
Special Corporation (of) Refrigeration Engineer Wizeguys
Or S.C.R.E.W. for short?
Maybe someone could check into this practice?
?????
Zolar
(Roger's reply)
Reminds me of a guy I heard about somewhere who selects compressors by locked-rotor amps!
You know, I never found out whether that guy ever became a better tech by working at improving his knowledge. I wonder.
Update: (Zolar)
I STILL have to select compressors based on Locked Rotor Amps. ;)
Reason being:
The parts house wants to know LRA, refrigerant type, voltage, and temperature.
An example: A 1/4 HP compressor (LRA approx 28 or so) can be replaced by a 1/3 HP compressor (LRA approx 35 or so).
And yes, I have come a long way. But nothing short of Herefishy's superb knowledge and talent is my goal. (is it getting too deep my friend? LOL)
Right now, I have to wet my thumb, stick it in a cooler, and add ***** till my thumb gets cold, then stop..... :confused: ? :rolleyes:
I used to stick my tongue on a shelf to see if the cooler was cold, but I sorta got it stuck once or twice. (I still talk kinda funny since then...not exactly sure why though......... :eek: )
And there was the time when I 'accidentally' hooked up a compressor backwards. The cooler quickly became a foodwarmer. At the time, I couldn't understand why the shop owner was mad.....he didn't have a food warmer and could have used one? :o
Merry Christmas!
:)
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Well, well, well...who we have here after more than 7 months.
Slept well??µ
You don't have a clue what direction this thread went in the past and all the deleted posts that has taken place.
Go play with you Matchbox cars.
Oh, I've been here. In fact, I read three times or more here per day. What I've seen is that you are a complete and total Euro-centric boob whose whole mission in life is to denigrate others who do not see with your myopic view. (Just like your comment on one of my hobbies. I'm glad you took the time to learn about me enough to be able to denigrate me some more.) I just chose not to sink to your level. I have much to offer here, but because of you and another fool, I chose not to participate. I care not a whit for you, or any place that loads your cannon.
Oh, almost forgot my comment... Carbon Dioxide is not "pollution". It has been around in quantity long before we were ever walking this Earth. Granted, it is a product of combustion.