Re: Outdoor coil icing up...
quote "the outdoor fans slow right down for 1 minute." The outdoor fans should stop and stay
off until if comes out of defrost.
Re: Outdoor coil icing up...
And the make and model of the unit is ?
Re: Outdoor coil icing up...
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Originally Posted by
Brian_UK
And the make and model of the unit is ?
Important as always.
Most heatpumps will build a white frost all over the outdoor coil before going in to defrost, as long as it isn't clear ice it is probably normal.
The big question is: Does it deliver hot air inside?
Make/model/pressures/temperatures please.
Re: Outdoor coil icing up...
OK, the icing up is normal, but the lack of defrosting is the problem.
As above, what brand/model unit is it, what were the temps and pressures?
I had to track down a problem pana, the issue went for over two winters with others looking at it (The issue was dropped after winter ended). No one could find the fault because of course no techs went there when it was cold between 9pm and 8am :) So it's a hard issue to solve without heaps of info.
Re: Outdoor coil icing up...
The unit gets turned on heating 27degrees at 5:30am (outside air temp 4degree celcius) and by 7am it's iced up to the point where it will not blow warm air inside...............the unit is made in china and has a copeland scroll and is correctly charged with R407C using scales to charge.
The defrost is built into the outdoor units pcb and i have already tried replacing and moving the condensor coil thermistor.
I though only some units completly shut down the outdoor fan on defrost??? i have seen a few that actually slow right down during a defrost.
Any ideas guys?
Re: Outdoor coil icing up...
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Originally Posted by
nike123
Do you have any other unit of that make/model in that area to compare functioning in same conditions. Could be small outdoor heat exchanger.
What is humidity in that area at testing time?
Also try to add more refrigerant (10% of total charge) to see if there is any difference in indoor unit discharge temperature.
What was the outdoor ambient temperature when you witnessed this?
Unsure of the humidity........
The outdoor temp was around 20dc when i witnessed what i thought was a defrost.
I have had many of this particular unit icing up all over australia mainly in the colder areas.
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the unit didn't ice up when i was there but when i blocked off the coil for 15min or so i caused the unit to go into defrost, there was no frost on the coil though.
The outdoor fan is working fine......... all pipes from the distributor are at equal temps....
Re: Outdoor coil icing up...
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Originally Posted by
airflo
the unit didn't ice up when i was there but when i blocked off the coil for 15min or so i caused the unit to go into defrost, there was no frost on the coil though.
The outdoor fan is working fine......... all pipes from the distributor are at equal temps....
Then you have bad design problem! Small outdoor heat exchanger. Compare that heat exchanger and outdoor air flow with other manufacturers models of same capacity which are working properly.
Re: Outdoor coil icing up...
We can assume the suction pressure has been running lower than what we are used to?
Re: Outdoor coil icing up...
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Drew
We can assume the suction pressure has been running lower than what we are used to?
It is higher Td, because of smaller heat exchanger/air flow, and therefore, lower evaporation temperature/suction pressure. That conditions accelerate ice formation when outdoor temperature is low and humidity high.
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The coil is actually quite large and the fans are also pretty powerfull.
I did notice that the coil seems to be doubled up and that the fins are extremely close together it's pretty much impossible to see through the coil due to it being doubled up.........and thats a brand new unit with no dirt on it yet.
Could i possibly improve the airflow over the coil by using a fincomb to widen the fins ????
Re: Outdoor coil icing up...
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Originally Posted by
airflo
The coil is actually quite large and the fans are also pretty powerfull.
Could i possibly improve the airflow over the coil by using a fincomb to widen the fins ????
I think that is now time to stop guessing and to start measuring. Take full set of measurements to see what is really happening.
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well i won't be going back out to the job untill i hear from the manufacturer..........but i checked all the neccassary measurements.............when i was there.
Gas is all good..........
Re: Outdoor coil icing up...
It is normal the outside coil iced up. So, many customer are beginning to select GSHP to replace air source HP.
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Does the outdoor unit sit under the drip line of the roof. Could be moisture dripping from the roof causing top half of the unit to freeze. You will need a gutter to deflect the moisture from drpping on top of the system.
Re: Outdoor coil icing up...
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Originally Posted by
airflo
The unit gets turned on heating 27degrees at 5:30am (outside air temp 4degree celcius) and by 7am it's iced up to the point where it will not blow warm air inside...
At that point, it should be going into defrost... which narrows it down to the coil sensor, sensor placement or board.