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Hello Jack.
By now you are totally confused, hell I will come over and sort it out for free, never been to NYC, you pick up the airfares and we have a deal.
And mad fridgie you are not coming because you live in Otago and hang low wall heat pumps. I lived there once and summer happened on a Tuesday so missed it and it snowed on Christmas day.
Gary, i see how 2 and 3 are connected. Now the purple wire is hooked up to the termination swtich from what i see on the diagram. I just have one question it supposed to go to the X terminal on the timer as well?
Tempting offer Magoo:)
Thanks
Jack
Hey Gray,
Thanks for the quick reply.
Had a little typo in my last post. I meant to say the purple wire is not hooked up. So now i know it goes to the X terminal. How can it connect to both the unmarked terminal and the X....the unmarked terminal position is just an empty hole on my timer.
Thanks for all the help!
Gary, just looked at it....on the timer it says model 8041-00 but i looks at the paper in the door of the timer. So now we know its 8041-00
There is a solenoid on this unit....i just looked at it and it's wired in with the thermostat my tech put in. I had him put that because traulsen tells me it should have one....its set around 0 degrees. Its made by white rogers.
Now you are confusing me. It sounds like you had your service tech add a liquid line solenoid. A liquid line solenoid is not the same thing as a defrost termination solenoid. What kind of solenoid did you have him add?
I would get a Paragon 8141-00 defrost timer and a Traulsen termination switch and wire it all exactly like it is on the wiring diagram.
It would be well worth doing this right by returning it to the original design.
Just so we are clear on this:
The defrost termination solenoid is built into the defrost timer. It is part of the timer. When you look at the terminal board on the timer, the solenoid is hidden behind that terminal board. It is not a separate part that can be added on. You need to get the right defrost timer, which comes with the termination solenoid built into it.
Hi wackiejackie88.
can you post some pictures, a picture can save a thousand words.
magoo
Okay Gary that clears up alot of confusion with the solenoid. What is the solenoid thats on the refrigerant line? Is that so the freezer does get too cold....is that why its wired to the thermostat?
Here are the pics of the valve and thermostat.
-Jack
Wackie.
I am confused with the pic of solenoid, could be a hot gas defrost injection solenoid valve. Is it masking/hiding the suction line.
Dont know what it is Magoo...i just know its wired in with the thrmostat in the other picture. And i do her it click over the course of the day. What does this mean ??
About 6 months ago I had a Traulsen upright freezer with ice forming all around the evaporator but never on it. The tech support guy at Traulsen had me decrease a setting for the defrost termination to decrease the temperature at which defrost was terminated. It was his idea that the coil was defrosting, creating too much steam from reaching too high a temp before cutting back on, and causing all that water vapor to refreeze an build up on the sides of the box housing the evaporator.
This is a bit off from my memory, but it was changed from something like 70 to 40. This unit had the computer with the red numbers and the codes and all the "sD, sP, etc."
I don't remember which code it was, but I never got a call back after that.
Truenilbog i have the same exact problem. Today i walked into my store and she had iced up and i had to shut it down and move everything out into my other freezer. Luckily it had just happend all the stuff inside was still solid.
I shut down the compressor and left the heaters plugged in, i turned the timer to cycle a deforst. When i did this i put my hand up the return air side i could feel the heat on the bottom of the pan....it had to be 130 degrees....it was extremely hot. I have to call them about this. We also dont have a termination switch too.
I have a firly old one (15-16 years) so i dont have anything digital on it.
How is the freezer running now???
Hi wackie.
I have been working out of town for a while, so haven't been keeping up-to-date with your problem.
But truenilbog may have touched on real problem.
130+ F around evap is way too hot.
From earlier posts you seem to have a Paragon defrost controller. The screw in pin things initate defrost and then time terminated.
The terminate timer is the outer disk thing indicating minutes, the set is changed by depressing the arrow thing and moving around at the same time. Even 40 minutes is along defrost, depends on how many defrost per 24 hour period.
On average 4 per 24 hours, so every 6 hours, you can change these around to have less when closed over night and nobody opening and closing the door.
Keep in touch.
as magoo says plus you want termination temperature no greater than 10 deg.C.try with 12 min period,increase or decrease time period as necessary until you have fan delay/defrost termination klixon and over heat safety klixon correctly wired and operating.
cheers
Wackie.
just to add to the confussion, some paragon defrost controllers have pressure termination. So you have time initiated and time terminated but with pressure terminate over ride. They have a copper pipe connected into bottom of paragon controller.
As before a pic saves athousnad words.
Keep in touch.
Hey People, sorry I been out of touch.
I ordered the termination switch, opend the freezer and found that they cut of the termination swithc and just wire nutted the 2 ends together. I hooked the new switch up, check all the wiring.
Now came the purple wire that wasnt hooked up. And as Gary said i needed a new timer. I have the 8041-00 that from what i see online works on time. I needed the 8041-00 which has the temp termination. So i ordered the new one. I will install monday, hopefully all works well.
The tech from the company was surprised i didnt have the 8141....i guess one of these fools over the years swapped it or maybe it was the wrong movement in the wrong box. The label in the box says 8141 the timer itsefl says 8041. Thats what confused gary in my previous posts.
I will keep you guys posted on what happens.
Thanks again for everything
-Jack
My digital control freezer has been running fine, Wackie...
DEAR SIR,
YOU CHECK drainage pipe blocked?. If
it is ok then check defrost timer and
defrost heater element.
Hey People,
So I did what Gary said and got the rigth timer. I installed it and it wasnt turning. I called techs at traulsen went over the wiring everything was okay. So i called the people who sold it to me told them it was defective. I got a second one...somehow they sent an expport model. The dealer said it was okay but paragon said that one was not to be used int he US. So i got a non export 8141-00 hooked it up and put it. She runs like a Rolex
Today i came in and no ice build up! Hoping it stays liek this over the weekend.
Does the termination switch just shut the heater and wait for the timer to cycle out of defrost? Or does it trip it out of defrost and throw it back into freezer mode????????????
Now it just seems to shut the heater and waitt for it self to time out. Either way it seems to be working....i just dont want any problems in the long run.
Thanks for all the help people!!
Jack
Thanks for the update.
There will be a delay due to pumpdown of the remote system before the compressor starts and then a further delay for the coil to freeze down before the evaporator fan starts... its all good. :)
Thanks a lot for everything Gary. I really appreciate it. You called it from the beginning.
I didnt touch anything with that solenoid valve on the refrigerant line or the thrmostat thats wired into. The way it is now is the Hot wire is going to the thermostat the and the neutral off the termostat is connected to the solenoid. The second wire to the solenoid is hooked up to the neutral. Does this sound right to you?? Everyhting is running and its holding temp....but with this freezer you never know.
I am actually thinking of taking a course on refrigeration here. It pays for itself....there are way too many clowns in NYC. I found so many misplaced wires on this freezer its a shocker it even worked.
This is such a relief to see it work. It's been messed up for about 10 years.
Thanks again!
Jack
A truly lovely thread. Well done to everyone who assisted.
Looks like a new fridgie is in the making... go do the courses Jackie...
Greetings,
happy V'day to all of you. I need similar help Jack
needed some. I read all the threads by jack and Gary very carefully. I just defrosted Hill coffin case in my store. We have total 4 caes back to back.
all four them had ice build up and after defrosting with water (normal drill with our freezers, probably by virtue of some professionals not paying attention.)
We are able to defrost our freezers by advancing timers, so I think our freezers are on time defrost only.
I cleaned the freezer and before I put it back I checked and found that none of the coils (defrost) coils are heating up. DRain heater is working. I checked the fuses they are all good. Usually I can advance the timer and turn the defrost on. But defrost heater is not turning on.
all the the defrost elements appears to withdraw the current checked with hook kind voltmeter.
fans are running in the case. Our case fans runs when it defrosts. our case fans runs all the time to my knowledge. Any clue why defrost heater would not kick in. It is important to mention that there is no ice, as i cleaned it and freezer is at room temp. Historically I was able to turn the defrost heater by advancing the timer.
thanks to all of you for being community,
shan
Hey Shan,
I'm no refrigeration tech but I learned quite a bit from the great people on here and from talking to techs at Traulsen. Where does your ice build up ?? on the coil or in the walls of the box?? Maybe your heaters just went bad ? Also, why are the fans running while it is in defrost?
this was a funny thread. left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. solenoid ... was installed when the unit was remoted and the guy remembers 'cause he paid for it, Garry was talking about the clock's selenoid...ohh well, I just saw the fun in it. Good Luck Dude, or ... mind your donuts
could have a leak also check thermostat if you dont have a defrost mechanism then the thermostat could be acting as that by cutting the compressor off and on. if its not working properly the thermostat might not be shutting the compressor off causing the system to constantly run and freeze the coil
Is the freezer actually level? I didn't see any mention of this in the threads but I have seen a problem with icing on the blades, etc. due to the freezer tilting too much towards the front. Just something to check.