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DALO
After reading some of your posts i cant resist getting involved. Im a POME in Australia so im no expert on what the regulations are now in the UK.
Possibly not the best person to pontificate on the Uk situation then ...?
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If you have C&G 2078 or NVQ is it a case of just doinga couple of days exams????
Pretty much
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What if you dont have either? Does this mean you cant take the exam and your out of the industry???
Depends on how good you are. The exam is open to all from what I understand.There are no grandfather rights for this one . If you can't pass the 2079 then maybe you should be out of the industry?
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Australia already has all this place and Artic the goverment run protection racket are rolling the money in.
Then leave the country -stop being a whinging Pom,
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Arctic pretty much sold this idea to idiots like Multisync.
Thanks for that. However the AU restrictive laws were there before you went. If you don't like it leave.
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Lets get all the cowboys out of the industry get the Sparkies and plumbers out more money for us etc.
Is this a statement? -if so, how would you propose to do this? If not without a lic then you cannot buy refrigerant (legally) Sparkies will go back to subbying the work out..
There will always be a % on the fringes. The size of that % is down to
1 The regulating body
2 The industry itself.
As a company we are going to adopt a policy of telling everyone we come into contact with that this law is now in place and they can only use registered companies with registered employees. How that will effect the market, who knows but if we all do this then the word will quickly spread.
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Multisync has obviously never read the 'Emperor and his new clothes'
Your point being?
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Lets just put things in perspective.
Would an electrician or plumber really know how to work on a Parrallel pack,Ammonia or cascade systems?? I dont think so, so arent these industries self regulating. Installing wall mounted splits is work that most of us dont want to do anyway.
You have a very narrow and insular view. From your lofty height as a glorified night case cleaner, then yes only 'skilled fridgies do fridge work'
There are more split bashers than commercial fridge engineers
So 'most' do split bashing and alike. How should they be regulated as they also handle refrigerant waste ?
Does the industry not have a duty of care to the UK? Should it not put itself up as highly trained , regulated and opperating with due Diligence?
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Now you here nothing from Arctic apart from the odd leaflet every now and again, but after every 2 years you do get a nice threatening letter telling you that you owe them money to renew your license.
What relevance is this to UK?
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Millions of dollars is going into their coffers every year and nothing is being put back into the industry. How about funding some of these so called beneficial training courses themselves?
What relevance is this to the UK ?
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Id wager if the responsibility was on the company or Arctic themselves to pay for it then we wouldnt be reading any of these threads would we?
What relevance is this to the UK?
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How about giving the profits to charity?
It would presumably go to finance the running of the system then rest would go to the G.ment.
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I know some of you naive guys are out there thinking your going to line your pockets, but its not going to happen. All your doing is enrolling on courses getting ripped off, after which there will be more refresher courses and once thats done more still.
If the failure rate is 65% then it's hardly a 'refresher' is it?
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As the mechanical refrigeration system has not changed in 100 years does this mean that none of us were trained correctly during our apprenticeships.
Who knows how good/bad your apprenticeship was?
The amount of proper Uk apprenticeships now on offer is unlikely to run into four figures. Thus the vast majority that have been entering into the industry in the Uk are of low quality & poorly trained.
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Maybe we need to get our money back.
Give 'em a ring.
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As i know its law that once youve stood trial for murder and been acquitted then you can never be tried again.
So why should a tradesmen be put on trial on numerous occasions.
Once you have sucessfully completed 2079 then that stands. However things do change and new refrigerants enter the market. Gas engineers have to have regular 'refresher' courses as their industry adpts to new rules and regulations. Uk has been very relaxed over the years which has allowed bad practice and untrained people to operate within it.
If it is properly regulated then this system can work. (as I said previously).
Narrow minded and insular attitudes are outdated and unhelpful to the progression from being a trade to a skill. Formal qualifications are but a mere part of dragging usup to a level not seen for 30+ years (IE only skilled fridge engineers do fridge)