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I hope you never had kids. I'd hate to know we have more of you. For the sake of this planets mental hygene, please, wear a condom. God, I used to think the Adams family only existed on screen.
Marc your getting boring, however, for your edification AGAIN :confused: I have two sons who are very successful Dan used to work for Cisco and became a millionaire by the time he was 35, now he works for IBM as a Principal and Christopher,38 also is very successful as he is a manager with SBC Communications. He is a graduate of Pepperdine University. Both of my sons and I are very close and we are very family orented. I also have 10 grandchildren who are all quite intellagent(chips off the old block) :D So you see even with my illogical logic I seem to be doing something right...yes? :rolleyes:
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thx for shogun and botrous help. The sharing is a virtue.
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Welcome Ic-Shi , hope the information were useful to you
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Shogun, Boring Business Systems is an 80-year-old locally owned office systems company with offices in Lakeland and Tampa, Florida. They provide total business solutions for their customers, as well as provide the highest level of service support in the area.
The name Boring Business Systems is well known in Central Florida. They market the top-quality products manufactured by Konica and Toshiba. In addition they offer the best service in the area. Don't take it from them - ask them for a free copy of the results of their annual Customer Service Survey.
With more copier and fax technicians than any competitor in the area their response time to their valued customers is 4 hour or less. They offer friendly personal 24 hour service 7 days a week.
So...How much stock do you have? :D
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Okay... Now that we have gone around the world with different dicussions, does the black box really work? I am more interested in the box by Abbott, then the ones I have seen that have a different function. :cool:
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Capt Steve , 750 sid that they aren't useful . . . i didn't try it yet . . . It seems that it is real black boxes
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Shogun, Integrity is the watchword of the Lagos Stock Exchange.
Before the establishment of the Lagos Stock Exchange in 1960, almost all formal savings and deposits went through the banking system while major capital balances were invested for the country by Britain on the London Stock Exchange. At present, there are 6 branches of the Exchange. Each branch has a trading floor.
The Exchange started operations in 1961 with 19 securities listed for trading. Today, there are more than 260 securities listed on the Exchange. Most of the listed companies have foreign/multinational affiliations and represent a cross-section of the economy, ranging from agriculture through manufacturing to services. The branch in Lagos was opened in 1961 after the enactment of the Lagos Stock Exchange Act, 1961; Kaduna, 1978; Port Harcourt, 1980; Kano, 1989; Onitsha and Ibadan, 1990. Lagos is the head office of the Exchange. An office has also been opened in Abuja, the Capital of Nigeria.
Hope this helps.
Thank you.
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Is this where I can order some Konica copier toner and get the stapling function fixed it keeps jamming? :D
Botrous I will try my hardest to do you a favor, what is it that you require?
Capt Steve, black box DOES work, very simply, too simply for the money they charge. The simplest way to save $$$ is to shut off comps. This has effect on case temps, etc, rack eventually pulls down the case temps and the whole thing starts again, sometimes, actually no, almost always product temps are sacrificed, etc, etc, etc.
Have only ever heard of or seen these babies installed ON TOP of existing rack/chiller controller. IF THEY'RE THAT GOOD THEN THEY WOULD SELL THEM AS A STAND ALONE CONTROL, and not rely on short cutting the existing parameters in the controller. Once again, why not RECOMMISSION THE EXISTING controls?!?! Sell the customer some expertise ;) instead of a "Black Box" that won't even record the the vital last seconds before disaster :eek:
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I told you I knew a lot about black boxes. So twist on that !!
I'm impressed :rolleyes: Oh, by the way my hero (Bush) was just recommissioned for another four years so you can twist on that! :D :D :D
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This thread is becoming realy boring.
When I'm noticed via email that there are new post in the thread "Black boxes", I rarely read them anymore.
Remember that once you start about politics that sometimes it becomes difficult to stop it and that their will be thrown s$$t on each other heads, the one a little bit more stinky than the other.
Starting it is like throwing oil in the fire.
There are different opinions, view from different angles and informed by different news gattering offices, so there will be allways remain misunderstandings and disagreements.
I know one thing, we supported as a rather small country enormous the suffering peoples in Asia, so did the UK peoples.
Sometimes, it's better doing it then talking about it.
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Botrous I will try my hardest to do you a favor, what is it that you require?
Thanks 750 . . . . . . . . . . I am asking how much those units coasts , about their effiency you have already done the job. . .
Thanks in advance
N.B: Those Boxes doesn't exsist in Lebanese market , else i would have checked for the prices myself :D
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Botrous, will see what I can do. Have you tried sending Abottly an email asking the price?
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Hi Guys,
Im a new member here, Has anyone got any more comments about the Black Boxes? :) Would like to hear from all the guys who have commented on this before, so i can understang why you guys think it dose not work.
Raj
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Well, I should say.. you can't change nature laws - starting with an ideal Carnot cycle for example - with some fancy electronics.
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I have just come across the ESM's too and am keen to know of people that have used the most recent models. Energy savings of up to 30% are claimed - evidence? :rolleyes: Also am interested to know of impact they have on the life of the compressors, maintenance problems etc the messages refer to back pressure controls and product temperatures deviations - is this outside of the spec for the compressors? Is it a problem or just an observation?
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I have seen some frequency inverters being used to either power up nicely the comps or change the frequency to change the comps capacity depending on suction pressure or suction temp. If the system already has a multi stage capacity control it would not be of much use.
Fastco