ClimaCheck Performance Analyser

Hi,

I would like to start a thread for the ClimaCheck Performance Analyser. I have just had a problem with a pressure transducer cable and whilst fixing this problem have managed to find some interesting sensor values. These might be usefull for anyone else changing pressure transducers on their climacheck equipment.

Sensor Zero Full Scale
ClimaCheck PA22S 0-35 Bar(g) High Pressure sensor -775 3600
ClimaCheck PA22S 0-10 Bar(g) Low Pressure Sensor -150 1100
ClimaCheck PA22S 0-50 Bar(g) R410A High Pressure Sensor -1150 5100
ClimaCheck PA22S 0-150 Bar(g) CO2 High Pressure Sensor -3650 15100

Any other ClimaCheck PA questions please visit Business Edge Ltd website or add a question here.

Martin

Training Instructor
Business Edge Ltd

Hi VeryFastFish@BE,

Purely a suggestion but perhaps as ClimaCheck is an expensive piece of kit you could start by informing RE members what the benefits of ClimaCheck mobile analysers are?

My interest is in Supermarket refrigeration Packs/Racks.

I have some questions?

What level of refrigeration experience do you have to have to be able to operate and interpret the readings - Design Engineer, Applications engineer, Service engineer, Scientist??

What are the practical set up issues are e.g if you have a compressor pack in the basement and the condenser is sited on the roof over 120 meters away, how do you fit sensors?

How long a period of time do you have to to hook it up and analyse to get solid readings?

What software upgrades are there?

Are software upgrades free?

What practical troubleshooting examples do you have on supermarket packs that the ClimaCheck analysis improved performance/energy savings?

What reading do you get when there is a refrigerant leak?

Answer these questions and it might generate some inquisitiveness from other RE members.

Over to you....

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Originally Posted by VeryFastFish@BE

Hi,

I would like to start a thread for the ClimaCheck Performance Analyser. I have just had a problem with a pressure transducer cable and whilst fixing this problem have managed to find some interesting sensor values. These might be usefull for anyone else changing pressure transducers on their climacheck equipment.

Sensor Zero Full Scale
ClimaCheck PA22S 0-35 Bar(g) High Pressure sensor -775 3600
ClimaCheck PA22S 0-10 Bar(g) Low Pressure Sensor -150 1100
ClimaCheck PA22S 0-50 Bar(g) R410A High Pressure Sensor -1150 5100
ClimaCheck PA22S 0-150 Bar(g) CO2 High Pressure Sensor -3650 15100

Any other ClimaCheck PA questions please visit Business Edge Ltd website or add a question here.

Martin

Training Instructor
Business Edge Ltd

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I think the ClimaCheck is nice training concept. I would feel very embarrassed for any engineer who considers himself/herself competent but at the same time who still has to use something like the ClimaCheck to diagnose a system or determine a system's performance.

Could be an interesting discussion.

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Originally Posted by DTLarca

I think the ClimaCheck is nice training concept. I would feel very embarrassed for any engineer who considers himself/herself competent but at the same time who still has to use something like the ClimaCheck to diagnose a system or determine a system's performance.

Could be an interesting discussion.

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I think you are misunderstanding the idea of analysing the data. It won't diagnose a fault for you, it just gives you enough information on one place to make a concise diagnosis. Also, it helps to back up your diagnosis when dealing with clients as they can see the data that you are talking about

Primarily though, the OP is trying to sell you one.

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Originally Posted by Si@Airmaster

I think you are misunderstanding the idea of analysing the data. It won't diagnose a fault for you, it just gives you enough information on one place to make a concise diagnosis. Also, it helps to back up your diagnosis when dealing with clients as they can see the data that you are talking about

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What part do you think I misunderstood?

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Originally Posted by Brian_UK

Primarily though, the OP is trying to sell you one.

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Agreed,
Business Edge are UK sole suppliers of ClimaCheck.

The Climacheck system is very useful for full equipment diagnostics - tracked over time. Capturing a data track over time into a spreadsheet is incredibly useful.

I typically take this raw data & generate additional calculations & graphs - allowing me to work out all kinds of things crucial to the system operation.

I can even see when a test chamber door has been opened, for instance. Little space for excuses after that.

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Originally Posted by desA

The Climacheck system is very useful for full equipment diagnostics

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Like what?

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Originally Posted by desA

tracked over time. Capturing a data track over time into a spreadsheet is incredibly useful.

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System monitoring with historical trends is common place - especially in UK supermarkets. Hy-Save have a single system monitoring tool that will do pressures and temperatures and efficiency inferences for a couple hundred pounds.

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Originally Posted by desA

I typically take this raw data & generate additional calculations & graphs - allowing me to work out all kinds of things crucial to the system operation.

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Like what?

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Originally Posted by desA

I can even see when a test chamber door has been opened, for instance. Little space for excuses after that.

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This is a typical every day benefit of system monitoring equipment.

Brown-Bear, very few contractors/consultants have their own portable analysis package. Fixed supermarket installations on large scale warrant that.

I think the points are clear as stated, without getting into the specific details of the way I use these diagnostics to 'x-ray' all sorts of info - trade-secrets/know-how & all that. :D

Suffice it to say that my equipment-builders cannot tell porkies when I use this analysis. :)

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Originally Posted by desA

Brown-Bear, very few contractors/consultants have their own portable analysis package. Fixed supermarket installations on large scale warrant that.

I think the points are clear as stated, without getting into the specific details of the way I use these diagnostics to 'x-ray' all sorts of info - trade-secrets/know-how & all that. :D

Suffice it to say that my equipment-builders cannot tell porkies when I use this analysis. :)

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There is a difference between logging a system for trends, historical trends - and then logging a system to make a diagnosis there and then.

If someone called you to have look at their system right now to see why it is, right this minute, not performing - then only someone who should not anyway be going near a system would take along a global logging tool. Unless you wanted to train someone including train your client to a level at which they too can understand what your diagnosis means - I find a piece of paper, pen and some simple formula do this just fine anyway.

You could not list one advantage a global logging tool would give over me and my simple service tools - I would have made the diagnosis and prescribed a remedy in the time it took you to take the apparatus out of your vehicle.

Remember - we are not talking about a tool that can tell you what is happening out at every case on the supermarket or out at every indoor unit on a VRV system nor at every valve and drive on any outdoor or indoor piece of kit.

There are definitely places for kit like this. For the 'average-Joe' - no need - a few temp sensors, your handy pressure manifold, an anemometer & multimeter, would be sufficient to provide a rough diagnosis.

The Climacheck price is very, very high, mind you. Perhaps it's being over-sold - who knows.

For my work & coupled with detailed analysis methods, it's pure gold.

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Originally Posted by desA

There are definitely places for kit like this. For the 'average-Joe' - no need - a few temp sensors, your handy pressure manifold, an anemometer & multimeter, would be sufficient to provide a rough diagnosis.

The Climacheck price is very, very high, mind you. Perhaps it's being over-sold - who knows.

For my work & coupled with detailed analysis methods, it's pure gold.

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You should speak to Calvin Becker then at Hy-Save. He has continued to develop a system monitoring tool that we started to develop together about 10 years ago. We spoke recently again about recent developments and the practicallities - as a consequence of that discussion I wrote a short article on the problems of determining mass flow in refrigeration circuits for calculation of actual duty as opposed to estimating specific energy flow. But for a few hundred pounds Calvin can give you the same thing that includes internet monitoring.

Thanks, Marc. Sounds interesting. I'll chat to Calvin Becker.

Keep op the good work mate, you can do it.

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Originally Posted by DTLarca

I think the ClimaCheck is nice training concept. I would feel very embarrassed for any engineer who considers himself/herself competent but at the same time who still has to use something like the ClimaCheck to diagnose a system or determine a system's performance.

Could be an interesting discussion.

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Hey DTLarca,
I am interested in your attitude to Climachek.

I would have thought that utilising 8 channels of temp, voltage, amperage and having all this instantaneous information calculated for you into a sheet for instant printout would be of benefit to most mechanics.

To my mind ( and I own a Climachek Analyser) the only draw back to Climacheck is price.

Reading gauges and thermometer values is fine, we all do it every day, but surely true accuracy of a systems performance can only come from reading all pressures and temps of a system at exactly the same time ?

I am not embarrassed to say that I have utilised Climachek on a number of occasions and shown historical data proving a systems inefficiency due to certain conditions at a point in time.:D

Is your attitude to Climachek derived from having used the equipment ?

I am interested mainly because I have wondered whether it is only price that prevents Climachek from becoming popular amongst techs. Maybe not.

Cheers
Rooboy

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Originally Posted by DTLarca

You should speak to Calvin Becker then at Hy-Save. He has continued to develop a system monitoring tool that we started to develop together about 10 years ago. We spoke recently again about recent developments and the practicallities - as a consequence of that discussion I wrote a short article on the problems of determining mass flow in refrigeration circuits for calculation of actual duty as opposed to estimating specific energy flow. But for a few hundred pounds Calvin can give you the same thing that includes internet monitoring.

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We have used this equipment and by the time installation / data access is taken into consideration it is way more than a few hundred pounds, we also have a Climacheck which has proved very useful, horses for courses really but most people are not prepared to pay for a permanent install.

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Originally Posted by morgan

We have used this equipment and by the time installation / data access is taken into consideration it is way more than a few hundred pounds, we also have a Climacheck which has proved very useful, horses for courses really but most people are not prepared to pay for a permanent install.

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Morgan

Yes I that is about where we are at also. Although I see Climachek as a great tool. It is difficult to sell the idea to customers due to cost.

As data loggers get cheaper, which I figure they inevitably will, it may come into play a lot more, I would think.

Rooboy

Hello

i also used climacheck here but there may be some erros came in previous test. Infect it is useful equipment but the cost is very high & people not accept it's concept.