R134a and 407c

I am surprised that no-one has yet commented on the obscene prices rises of the above refrigerants lately.
Never mind the stock piling of R22 if I had known what I now know. I would of saved the above.
407 has risen 50% in the last 2 months alone.
With lots of lame aaaaah! well the refineries are having problems!
Rip off time more like!
Oh yes and the gradual reduction is recovery cylinder charge amounts is another one.
Explain how you can purchase to Identical cylinders.
1) New with approx 60kg charge.
2) The same size empty can now only hold 45kg?
Even the empty cylinders (whether to be used as recovery or receivers) are in short demand.

Am I missing something? :rolleyes:
Grizzly

Bob dylan , the times are changing ;)

Here we are short of R134a and R404a and price is rising steadily.

Caught us out last week. The increase has been a tad more than the current rate of inflation and we have had to throw out all our agreed prices with certain customers..

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Originally Posted by multisync

Caught us out last week. The increase has been a tad more than the current rate of inflation and we have had to throw out all our agreed prices with certain customers..

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A tad is an understatement!
We have agreed national prices that are way to cheap.
And bricking it if there are any major leaks!
Grizzly

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Originally Posted by Grizzly

A tad is an understatement!
We have agreed national prices that are way to cheap.
And bricking it if there are any major leaks!
Grizzly

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Surcharge time!

Jon :D

I have read in the trade magazines about likely worldwide shortages of not only R134A but all R400 series refrigerants of which R134a is a main component by the end of the summer / year.
Anybody able to confirm this or have heard anything different.

Gibbo

I was warned of this a few months ago, was told that it was more a case of the gas manufacturers wanting to charge more so were restricting supply, especially 134a.. :(

It has however made it eaiser to justify the replacement of a leaking split 407c systems for a new 410a system as the cost of repair and regas will often be near to that of a install - the advantage being the install has warentee.


At the current rate it wont be long before we start buying condensing units to revover and use the gas as its cheeper then buying it in a bottle :D

Hi guys
Is that true u have to reales the rest amount of R407C when u have got leakage in a system working with R407C before recharge it?

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Originally Posted by brazzy wind

Hi guys
Is that true u have to reales the rest amount of R407C when u have got leakage in a system working with R407C before recharge it?

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You should never release in atmosphere any refrigerant CFC, HFC, HCFC !!!!

You could top up about 30% of original charge of R407C. If you need to add more, you will probably have changed composition. In that case you need to recover charge and add new fresh refrigerant

Thanks nike123
Last year I have found leakage in AIRDALE A/C unit working with R407c , I welded the pipe & I added some gas and the unit still working fine , but I found in one post some where here ,that u have to release the rset of the R407c from the unit , so that is why i wondered.

ALl i know is that R134a is one of the components of R407C... So if 134 goes up its only logical for 407 to go up.

If anyone wants any R134A Let me know Ive access to about 20 ton at about 7 - 8 quid per kilo (its not stolen)