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It seems you enjoy learning, so I am not going to give straight answers.
You understand the parts of the system but you do not yet understand the system (very common)
Always start at the beginning, what are you using the refrigeration process for? So it could be said that this is afixed variable or a constant. So what ever you do this constant needs to be maintained!
Draw out your system, let nature do what it does to the refrigeration cycle (variable water temp, air temp) and see what happens to the rest of the refrigeration "loop", can each every component handle the new set of differences.
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http://ir.library.oregonstate.edu/xm...pdf?sequence=1
more good info but looks like water cooled is the best & simplest option all round.
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Hi windseeker
Bahamas, must say first I am very green of your location, you lucky fella
There is a book I can highly recommend - its book number is
ISBN 0-13-027270-1 The Principles of Refrigeration (5th Edition)
It's not cheap - about 150usd - But commonly known as the refrigeration bible over here
this will give you the knowledge you need to understand your over-condensing problem in cooler climates
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The system needs a minimum pressure differential in order to push the liquid through the metering device into the evaporator. In low temp ambients, the high side pressure can drop to the point where the evap is starved.
On an air cooled system, you would want to control the fan to raise the condensing pressure to maintain the minimum differential.
On a water cooled system, you would control the water flow with a water regulating valve.
Under extremely cold conditions, you may need to go to a flooded condenser system.
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chillerman2006
Hi windseeker
Bahamas, must say first I am very green of your location, you lucky fella
There is a book I can highly recommend - its book number is
ISBN 0-13-027270-1 The Principles of Refrigeration (5th Edition)
It's not cheap - about 150usd - But commonly known as the refrigeration bible over here
this will give you the knowledge you need to understand your over-condensing problem in cooler climates
Or an even better option
http://prostores1.carrierzone.com/se...com/StoreFront
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cant u fit a condenser fas speed controller to maintain ur head pressure in low ambient conditions
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You can add a condenser fan speed control but they are expensive. A condenser fan cycle control would work.
There is also a device called a head master that is a 3 way valve that bypasses the air cooled condenser at a set ambient outside air temp.
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I want to thank all of you for your input. I will read/look into all of these one by one. Right now, I'm working through Post #4. Even though I am not freezing fish, the paper is really interesting. It even inspired an idea about regulating compressor speed with falling Low pressure. There are some devices out there that kinda do this, but they are all open loop. If I can do it closed loop without sacrificing energy efficency, then it could be worth it. I'll keep you posted. Thanks again! You guys are great!
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I ended up ordering the book Chillerman recommended (ISBN 0-13-027270-1). Though, I'm sure the other books are fantastic, I'm hoping that this one will answer my questions. One day . . . if this becomes a career vs. an obsession, I will get them. This link here provided by Ranger1 is exactly my system.
http://myboatsgear.com/mbg/product.asp?prodID=1618
I am in the process of re-installing this unit with the fixed evaporator leak. When I took it out, the coils we neatly wrapped, tie-wrapped and screwed to the bulkhead. Re-installed, they do not lie in the exact position.
Quick Question: I have some conflicting information. The return line is 1/4" and the pressure line is 5/16" Do I need to insulate the return line? I've also read the that the HI and LO lines need to be close together. For now, I have tie wrapped them together. Is this correct?
BTW Chillerman, I'm not in the Bahamas yet. It's a goal and a dream. :) !!! That's one of the reasons why I'm doing all this. I would sell myself short in saying that is the only place. I would like to go much further. Brazil?
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Windseeker
Quick Question: I have some conflicting information. The return line is 1/4" and the pressure line is 5/16" Do I need to insulate the return line? I've also read the that the HI and LO lines need to be close together. For now, I have tie wrapped them together. Is this correct?
Return line, Yes
Hard question for me ! (two lines together)
This can have benefits & downsides
If it was originally designed like this I would say yes
If the lines are insulated together, it will do two things it will lower the discharge temp & assist cooling the refrigerant to a liquid (help with condensing higher climates) but it will also increase the suction superheat at the compressor inlet.
If the evaporator is set up without the lines touching, you have a certain amount of cooling for the compressor, heat from the discharge pipe will be transfered to the suction pipe if they are together, using up the cooling meant for the compressor. Shortening its life.
I think it would be a good idea to have the pipes running together in one insulation, transfering heat from the discharge pipe, its just you need to set up the expansion valve to compensate for this if its not how it was originally designed/setup
ps. dont try & absorb that book all at once, it is full of info some very technical but from your original post, I think it will be a very good purchase, it has the basics right through to all the industry formula's, pictures, diagrams & graphs, hope you enjoy it
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chillerman, ask him what brazing rods he's using!
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install monkey
chillerman, ask him what brazing rods he's using!
None hopefully !!!
I've heard thats a very fine art sweating rubber...
I did not even notice that, obviously, just thought as usual copper tube, der
your too quick for me mate
So that blows that idea out the water then :D
if you fancy some fresh fluff, check your email,
its real fun, am off there in 5