PH Chart and tables

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31-03-2006, 04:41 AM
Bob45

PH Chart and tables

Hi guys,

Anybody knows where I could find PH Chart and tables for different gaz. I have R22 and R12, but would need R401 and R410A etc.

Thanks
31-03-2006, 04:53 AM
Lc_shi

Re: PH Chart and tables

search "coolpack" software which can help you or EES also has the function.

rgds
LC
31-03-2006, 05:24 AM
wambat

Re: PH Chart and tables

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob45

Hi guys,

Anybody knows where I could find PH Chart and tables for different gaz. I have R22 and R12, but would need R401 and R410A etc.

Thanks

go here: http://refrigerants.dupont.com/Suva/...pdf/k10909.pdf
31-03-2006, 05:58 AM
Bob45

Re: PH Chart and tables

Thanks Wambat but I'm looking for PH chart and tables not PT tables.

That I can get everywhere.

I've been asking my suppliers for PH chart but nobody has them. They are suppose to ask there suppliers.

But I would love to find it on the internet. Much faster when needed.
31-03-2006, 06:25 AM
Lc_shi

Re: PH Chart and tables

http://www.et.web.mek.dtu.dk/Coolpack/UK/
download it.
31-03-2006, 07:39 AM
NoNickName

Re: PH Chart and tables

Coolpack is the way to go.
31-03-2006, 01:53 PM
Bob45

Re: PH Chart and tables

Thanks LC I will look into it.
31-03-2006, 03:18 PM
dogma

Re: PH Chart and tables

I found the best charts come from ARKEMA. Very friendly people. It took me mths to track them down. Unfortunately I only have printed copies. They include R12, R22, R410, R404a, R507. Give them a ring. They can help;)
31-03-2006, 11:08 PM
Bob45

Re: PH Chart and tables

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogma

I found the best charts come from ARKEMA. Very friendly people. It took me mths to track them down. Unfortunately I only have printed copies. They include R12, R22, R410, R404a, R507. Give them a ring. They can help;)

Thank Dogma,

But where is ARKEMA, I live in Canada. :D
01-04-2006, 01:48 AM
Deejey

Re: PH Chart and tables

you can get all the pressure enthalpy charts from here

http://www.dupont.com/suva/emea/pdf/molier_r410a.pdf

401A (MP39) here http://www.dupont.com/suva/emea/pdf/molier_suvamp39.pdf
01-04-2006, 02:05 AM
Bob45

Re: PH Chart and tables

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deejey

you can get all the pressure enthalpy charts from here

http://www.dupont.com/suva/emea/pdf/molier_r410a.pdf

401A (MP39) here http://www.dupont.com/suva/emea/pdf/molier_suvamp39.pdf

Hey thanks Deejey, this is great

Bob
01-04-2006, 01:26 PM
dogma

Re: PH Chart and tables

ARKEMA is a global forane manufcturer based in the USA.

unfortunately I don"t have their contact details on me. Google ARKEMA. They are the amalgamation of two companies in chemical engineering.

Here you go.

www.arkemagroup.com
www.forane.com

In Australia Phone 1300851777

Hope this helps?
01-04-2006, 03:31 PM
Bob45

Re: PH Chart and tables

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogma

ARKEMA is a global forane manufcturer based in the USA.

unfortunately I don"t have their contact details on me. Google ARKEMA. They are the amalgamation of two companies in chemical engineering.

Here you go.

www.arkemagroup.com
www.forane.com

In Australia Phone 1300851777

Hope this helps?

Thanks Dogma

It's funny, Dupont has the PH Chart on there site but no PH tables and Arkema has PH tables but no PH Chart :)
02-04-2006, 05:49 AM
dogma

Re: PH Chart and tables

No probs bob.

:)

Thanks for the help on the other thread;) :eek:
01-05-2006, 06:33 AM
cj.rajkumar

Re: PH Chart and tables

Hi friends,

Can you give me the details regarding where I can find Pressure & enthalpy chart for refrigerants R-600,R-32,R-125?
01-05-2006, 10:09 AM
Argus

Re: PH Chart and tables

Visit

http://www.et.web.mek.dtu.dk/Coolpack/UK/

Download the little programe and all the popular refrigerants have ph charts you can down load within, including the HCs.

.
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volcano classic vaporizer
01-05-2006, 02:14 PM
frank

Re: PH Chart and tables

Or click on the Database button above
02-05-2006, 02:18 AM
Bob45

Re: PH Chart and tables

Quote:

Originally Posted by cj.rajkumar

Hi friends,

Can you give me the details regarding where I can find Pressure & enthalpy chart for refrigerants R-600,R-32,R-125?

Hi,

Check these site, www.suva.dupont.ca and http://www.arkema-inc.com

I've found PH chart and tables for many of the products they make but you have to search a bit. Like I believe Dupont has chart but only on the US site and table only on the European site. Funny.
02-03-2007, 10:51 AM
EmrithKris

Re: PH Chart and tables

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob45

Hi guys,

Anybody knows where I could find PH Chart and tables for different gaz. I have R22 and R12, but would need R401 and R410A etc.

Thanks

Hi could u visit the suva refrigerants sites on the net. sure you will find something.
08-03-2007, 05:42 AM
nh3simman

Re: PH Chart and tables

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob45

Hi guys,

Anybody knows where I could find PH Chart and tables for different gaz. I have R22 and R12, but would need R401 and R410A etc.

Thanks

go to the technisolve web site
coolit.co.za
and download the MollierChart program.
over 100 refrigerants shown
also has options for refrigeration cycles
08-03-2007, 11:29 AM
Bones

Re: PH Chart and tables

Quote:

Originally Posted by nh3simman

go to the technisolve web site
coolit.co.za
and download the MollierChart program.
over 100 refrigerants shown
also has options for refrigeration cycles

where do you download the program from?
08-03-2007, 11:02 PM
Brian_UK

Re: PH Chart and tables

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bones

where do you download the program from?

He's written the site address in his post and you have 'quoted' it in you reply.

I'll spell it out here anyway....

http://www.coolit.co.za

Mind you, check the prices first - whoaaa:eek:
17-03-2007, 09:52 AM
nh3simman

Re: PH Chart and tables

The best source of information about refrigerants is NIST. They produce the definitive set of refrigerant property data that is even used by ASHRAE.

DTU is a good alternative as pointed out by Lc_shi.

You can also download a p-h diagram softare program from the coolit.co.za web site
This draws the chart and reads the values at the cursor dynamically. It also plots 1-stage and 2-stage cycles. It currently supports over 100 refrigerants.
17-03-2007, 03:04 PM
US Iceman

Re: PH Chart and tables

Quote:

Originally Posted by nh3simman

The best source of information about refrigerants is NIST. They produce the definitive set of refrigerant property data that is even used by ASHRAE.

A new version of this program should be available in the next few weeks or so. Another benefit of this program is the ability to connect it to your own custom programs. That allows you to concentrate on your program, instead of the refrigerant properties.
22-03-2007, 03:38 AM
nh3simman

Re: PH Chart and tables

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian_UK

Mind you, check the prices first - whoaaa:eek:

Since you mention the prices, the Mollier program is FREE. I hope that's not too expensive?

Maybe you didn't notice that the prices are listed in South African Randa. You guys would divide by about 10 for Euro. The MollierChart program costs e60. How many hours would you work for e60?

Comment about links
I hope this reply is not going to get me banned again! Andy saw fit to give me an infraction because I quoted my web site. What are the rules? I searched the conditions and find no rules about adding links. In addition, there are many links added by other people. If I suggest that someone goes to the NIST web site for the best source of refrigerant info, this is acceptable. However, if I suggest that someone can download a program from my web site this is not! Can someone explain this to me.
23-03-2007, 08:57 PM
Brian_UK

Re: PH Chart and tables

Quote:

Originally Posted by nh3simman

Comment about links
I hope this reply is not going to get me banned again! Andy saw fit to give me an infraction because I quoted my web site. What are the rules? I searched the conditions and find no rules about adding links. In addition, there are many links added by other people. If I suggest that someone goes to the NIST web site for the best source of refrigerant info, this is acceptable. However, if I suggest that someone can download a program from my web site this is not! Can someone explain this to me.

There is a distinct difference between providing information in the public domain and advertising your own wares.

Most people are aware of this.
23-03-2007, 09:22 PM
Josip

Re: PH Chart and tables

Quote:

Originally Posted by nh3simman

Since you mention the prices, the Mollier program is FREE. I hope that's not too expensive?

Maybe you didn't notice that the prices are listed in South African Randa. You guys would divide by about 10 for Euro. The MollierChart program costs e60. How many hours would you work for e60?

Comment about links
I hope this reply is not going to get me banned again! Andy saw fit to give me an infraction because I quoted my web site. What are the rules? I searched the conditions and find no rules about adding links. In addition, there are many links added by other people. If I suggest that someone goes to the NIST web site for the best source of refrigerant info, this is acceptable. However, if I suggest that someone can download a program from my web site this is not! Can someone explain this to me.

Very nice, something good for free, but following your advice I post a link to that page what you say about this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by lana

Hi there,
The programmes are perfect BUT:D :D they are valid for a month and then you have to Pa.....yyyyyy:D . even the Mollier chart
Cheers

from thread

http://www.refrigeration-engineer.co...2684#post62684

seems something is wrong:confused:

Speaking about your web site and stuff there, if you give address in your CP someone will discover it and probably give suggestion to other members here and that will not sounds like self advertising (maybe I am not right) but on this way....

Stuff there is not free - you sell it (prices low/high are not in question) and that is advertising and you know that is not free.

I am sorry if I sounds rude but if you think once more all about I believe you will agree with me.

I must say I admire (I believe not only me) your contribution to our forum and this was small misunderstanding which will not repeat and I suggest for all of us simply to forget it;)

Best regards, Josip :)
24-03-2007, 10:12 AM
nh3simman

Re: PH Chart and tables

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josip

Very nice, something good for free, but following your advice I post a link to that page what you say about this:

from thread

http://www.refrigeration-engineer.co...2684#post62684

seems something is wrong:confused:

Speaking about your web site and stuff there, if you give address in your CP someone will discover it and probably give suggestion to other members here and that will not sounds like self advertising (maybe I am not right) but on this way....

Stuff there is not free - you sell it (prices low/high are not in question) and that is advertising and you know that is not free.

I am sorry if I sounds rude but if you think once more all about I believe you will agree with me.

I must say I admire (I believe not only me) your contribution to our forum and this was small misunderstanding which will not repeat and I suggest for all of us simply to forget it;)

Best regards, Josip :)

I apologise. It was a mistake to reference my site.
18-11-2007, 12:19 AM
FCS

Re: PH Chart and tables

Dose this Have U.S unit (Btu PSIA Deg F)
thanks
15-10-2008, 03:20 AM
Eng_Abdelrhman

Re: PH Chart and tables

very good
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21-10-2010, 09:22 AM
Erutan

Re: PH Chart and tables

Hey be-careful, Coolpack properties are wrong for the R22 refrigerant!
Hope it might help!
Cheers.
17-12-2010, 05:49 AM
Veerpal Singh

Re: PH Chart and tables

I want R407 c ph chart.
17-12-2010, 06:47 AM
nike123

Re: PH Chart and tables

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veerpal Singh

I want R407 c ph chart.

You posted here but did you read any of posts in this thread?:eek:

http://tinyurl.com/3y9j4pu
18-12-2010, 02:07 AM
EmrithKris

Re: PH Chart and tables

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob45

Hi guys,

Anybody knows where I could find PH Chart and tables for different gaz. I have R22 and R12, but would need R401 and R410A etc.

Thanks

Try ICEO or other refrigerant manufacturers like ici