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afak
13-08-2007, 05:48 PM
Hi to every one

I need some speculations on the expected thickness of the PU panels used in cold stores at ambient temp of 45C for at storage temps of :
≥ 5 ℃
≥ -5 ℃
≥ -25 ℃
≥ -45 ℃
Thank you

Peter_1
13-08-2007, 06:58 PM
http://www.isobar.be/productinfobestand/plafondophanging.pdf
Horizontal ambient en vertical the room temperature.

afak
13-08-2007, 08:24 PM
Thank You Peter 1
Are number after D in cm ? The file is not in English .

Peter_1
13-08-2007, 08:33 PM
Indeed, 8, 10...cm and temperatures in °C.
Forgot to say this.
And the language is Dutch, sorry haven't anyhing better and that's also the one I'm using.
It gives you anyhow at least an idea.

afak
13-08-2007, 08:37 PM
Thank You Peter 1.
Highly apreciate your Help

smpsmp45
14-08-2007, 09:09 AM
Hi to every one

I need some speculations on the expected thickness of the PU panels used in cold stores at ambient temp of 45C for at storage temps of :
≥ 5 ℃
≥ -5 ℃
≥ -25 ℃
≥ -45 ℃
Thank you

we use

60mm, 80mm, 125mm & 150mm thick PUF panels typically for such temperatures.

Infact Asharae gives a specific formula for considering the thicknesses & these values are just matching that formula

Peter_1
14-08-2007, 10:02 AM
What's that formula then?

smpsmp45
14-08-2007, 12:05 PM
I am scanning that out & shall try & post it on the forum site

suny
14-08-2007, 12:41 PM
Thank you smpsmp45 for your info. Pls post it at your earliest.

Hi! afak, You can find more info from the mfg of sandwitch panel in China. www.bingshaninternational.com/main_e.htm (http://www.bingshaninternational.com/main_e.htm)

Suny

smpsmp45
14-08-2007, 12:56 PM
That scanned copy is almost invisible. I have prepared that in PDF format. Ashrae recommends R values for Insulation. One can easily derive the Insulation Thickness based on the Thermal Conductivity of the insulation material.

old gas bottle
14-08-2007, 06:01 PM
dont forget other factors as in fire ratings,thickness needed to span wall panels or top hat sections,exposure to sunlight,to name a few,as a rough guide,100mm for chillers, 150mm,freezers,200mm for any lower,thats using polyurathane or P.I.R. not rockwool or polystyrene.:D

afak
14-08-2007, 07:24 PM
Are these thicknesses used to the roof,walls,ground equally?

old gas bottle
14-08-2007, 09:30 PM
only on small rooms that are self supporting,meaning something like a 3mtr cube ,but when you start going above that the panels need to be thicker to add strength,after 6/7 mtr you need to be looking at top hat sections suspended from the roof steelwork by threaded rods.sizes only as a guide.;)