EU F Gas Regulation voted

[Argus]

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I?ve been posting on the subject of the EU Fluorinated Gases Regulation (F Gas) for some time now.

The Regulation itself and a separate Directive on the use of F gases in Mobile Air Conditioning (car) systems (MACs) was voted in the EU Parliament yesterday.

It will be published in the Official Journal of the EU within a short while then take effect within 20 days after that.

It will be interesting to hear what people think.

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[Andy]

Argus,
what was the result of the vote, I assume we have not lost R404a yet:D

I know one wholesaler who has been lobbying MEP's to try and stop just that, it would be a bit of a curve ball if R404a was banned, but so was the phase out of R12 and R502.

Kind Regards. Andy:)

[Argus]

Andy,

The result of the vote was an acceptance of both as a package. 476 for, 46 against, 25 abstentions.

It?s a bit of a curate?s egg, though in my opinion it is a reasonably good package. Needless to say there remains a lot to be decided at national level.

There are no refrigerant bans this time around although there was a set of amendments to do that sneaked in at the 2nd reading, last October.. This move was defeated in the Parliament at the time. So, R404A is safe.

Because the council and Parliament disagreed cover the amendments it went to Conciliation (that means a compromise).
The agreed conciliation text is not in the official public domain yet though I left a link to a version of it in my last posting.

As a contractor it is reasonably good news for you as there are mandatory requirements for leakage testing.

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[djbe]

Argus,

Do you know where I can find breakdown of what the F gas regulations will cover/entail? (apologies if you have already posted on this, nothing came up when I tried to search).

Also I assume the MAC's directive will include transport refrigeration?

Thanks, djbe.

[NoNickName]

Well guys, I don't think any refrigerant is safe.

Article 9,1 says: "1. The placing on the market of products and equipment containing, or whose functioning relies upon, fluorinated greenhouse gases, as listed in Annex II shall be prohibited as specified in that
Annex."

And the Annex II between other things, says: Non-confined
direct-evaporation systems containing refrigerants

[NoNickName]

The text can be dowloaded here http://www.europarl.eu.int/omk/sipade3?L=EN&OBJID=110039&LEVEL=5&MODE=SIP&NAV=X&LSTDOC=N

[Argus]

Argus,

Do you know where I can find breakdown of what the F gas regulations will cover/entail? (apologies if you have already posted on this, nothing came up when I tried to search).

Also I assume the MAC's directive will include transport refrigeration?

Thanks, djbe.

DJBE,

The links I posted are here below: they work for me. Send me a pm if you can?t get them.

F Gas in stationary equipment:
http://www.fluorocarbons.org/documen...0189A(COD).pdf

MACs:
http://www.fluorocarbons.org/documen...9b%20(COD).pdf

As I read it the MACs Directive applies purely to motor vehicles. Transport (trucks and refers)and passenger vehicles (buses trains etc.) are not covered. You need to read the scope, read also the two previous directives from 1970 that define the types of vehicles.



Well guys, I don't think any refrigerant is safe.

Article 9,1 says: "1. The placing on the market of products and equipment containing, or whose functioning relies upon, fluorinated greenhouse gases, as listed in Annex II shall be prohibited as specified in that
Annex."

And the Annex II between other things, says: Non-confined
direct-evaporation systems containing refrigerants


The term ?non-confined? in English means something that is not contained: i.e. in this instance a direct expansion system where the refrigerant is not within a closed system of pipes and apparatus. It does not apply to what we normally term a refrigerating system and is rightly banned.

The Annex 2 bans on open (non-direct) systems is the only refrigeration application to come under a ban.

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[NoNickName]

Besides, I cant' think and any DX system where the refrigerant is not confined.

[djbe]

Thanks Argus,

The links didn't work but I went to the flourocarbons home site and picked them up from there.

[Argus]

Thanks Argus,

The links didn't work but I went to the flourocarbons home site and picked them up from there.


I can't think why they don't work - they are OK on this machine. At least you have the documents now.

It's important to remember that they are not official and the Regulation and Directive will need to be published in the official journal in a few weeks. They will then have all the important dates filled in.

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[Argus]

Besides, I cant' think and any DX system where the refrigerant is not confined.



They do exist - not many but there are some.....
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[US Iceman]

Hi Argus,


in this instance a direct expansion system where the refrigerant is not within a closed system of pipes and apparatus

Is this intended to address the use of expendable refrigerants such as "blowing agents" for insulation manufacturing and propellants?

[Argus]

Hi Argus,



Is this intended to address the use of expendable refrigerants such as "blowing agents" for insulation manufacturing and propellants?

No, the use of HFC in foam expansion is treated separately in the regulation.

ODS as blowing agent is already banned and it is almost impossible to dispose of a used refrigerator or foam panels in the UK now without Hazardous waste documentation.
Fluorinated single-componemt foams are to be banned within 2 years under the regulation.

Non confined DX is little more than direct discharge - squirting the stuff over whatever you are cooling.

I'll send you the latest draft if you want to see a copy.

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[US Iceman]

That would be great. I appeciate your taking the time to do that.

Thanks.

[Argus]

That would be great. I appeciate your taking the time to do that.

Thanks.


No problem - on it's way.
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[NoNickName]

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_Data/docs/pressdata/en/misc/89295.pdf

It's official now.

[Argus]

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_Data/docs/pressdata/en/misc/89295.pdf

It's official now.


Not quite....... there's a little more to be done.
It's been voted and we have an approved text in English (plus other languages, I expect) at this time.

There remains the small matter of official approval of all the translations and finally, publication in the Official Journal of the EU. It may take a few weeks.

The implementation clock starts ticking at that point and it becomes law 20 days later.

At Member States' national level, further legislation will need to be drawn up to outline the offences and penalties. They have a further time scale to do all this.

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