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Rob White
13-03-2014, 04:18 PM
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EU to phase-down the use of F-gases, I wounder which ones??

http://www.acr-news.com/news/news.asp?id=3668

Rob

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Gibbo
13-03-2014, 09:25 PM
Rob

Europe is hell bent on removal of R134A in auto's first and then probably followed by all other system's.
Happened to be in Dean and Wood in Leatherhead a few weeks ago and they were talking about R134A and R410A being removed along with others.They had some sort of road show in Southampton and Watford promoting it. Reports of 80% reduction by 2030 but as with the older refrigerants they will try to bring this date down so could be looking at substantial reductions or bans by 2020.

Rob White
14-03-2014, 11:28 AM
Rob

Europe is hell bent on removal of R134A in auto's first and then probably followed by all other system's.
Happened to be in Dean and Wood in Leatherhead a few weeks ago and they were talking about R134A and R410A being removed along with others.They had some sort of road show in Southampton and Watford promoting it. Reports of 80% reduction by 2030 but as with the older refrigerants they will try to bring this date down so could be looking at substantial reductions or bans by 2020.


Quite a few refrigerant blends have 134a in them.

As for 410A Daikin have announced they want to use
the R32 in the 410 on its own.

http://www.acr-news.com/news/news.asp?id=3017

Rob

Ps I just love the term "mildly flammable", I wonder if that's
like being mildly pregnant or suffering from a mildly life threatening illness. ;)

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Gibbo
14-03-2014, 09:46 PM
Rob

Mercedes/Daimler are in the middle of a legal battle with various EU courts over their refusal to stop using R134A in favour of R1234yf, R134A is now banned in all new auto a/c's. The Germans are concerned over the flamability of R1234yf in a head on collision.
R1234yf is also listed as "mildly flamable"

Gibbo

Rob White
15-03-2014, 01:52 AM
Rob

Mercedes/Daimler are in the middle of a legal battle with various EU courts over their refusal to stop using R134A in favour of R1234yf, R134A is now banned in all new auto a/c's. The Germans are concerned over the flamability of R1234yf in a head on collision.
R1234yf is also listed as "mildly flamable"

Gibbo


That makes me smile also, the fear of an head on collision :D

A couple hundred grams of a mildly flammable substance in the front
and 70 litres of extremely flammable in the back and they worry about
the small amount in the front.

Rob

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hookster
15-03-2014, 09:31 AM
:D Hah ha too true Rob.
But its also OK to fill Planes and Cars with Lithium Batteries. Some times all these green ideas stop you seeing the wood for the trees!!

Gibbo
15-03-2014, 10:39 AM
Too many tree huggers for sure.

Gibbo
15-03-2014, 10:05 PM
Mercedes concerns with R1234yf are more to do with the toxic Hydrogen Flouride gases given off when it burns

FreezerGeezer
16-03-2014, 10:45 AM
We're already being subjected to R32 here, by Daikin & Fujitsu.
Although as yet no-one is stocking R32! There's a lot of concern in the industry about it, it does seem quite a lot nastier than most recent refrigerants.