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Baileystan
18-04-2012, 09:41 PM
Hi can anyone help me, i'm after the BOC Hydrocarbon Course notes if anyone has them please.

Brian_UK
18-04-2012, 11:21 PM
If you're going to the course, cancel it and get your gas from Climate Center.

Death by Powerpoint.

Simple rules, don't smoke or have a naked light near it, use a combustible gas monitor, purge with nitrogen, course over.

Generally I like training but that one was money for old rope.

Sorry trainers, you can shoot me if you like.

RSTC
19-04-2012, 05:15 PM
Hold your fire boys.

You need the BOC Care card to purchase from BOC however what are other suppliers doing? Are they asking for evidence of training or are they making the sale and hoping for the best?

If Climate Centre (as above for example) where to sell a few canisters to me and I go blowing myself, some babies, puppies and a panda up, what would the supplier who sold to somebody untrained, say to the coroner or Magistrate?

see http://www.refrigeration-engineer.com/forums/showthread.php?32999-hydrocarbons-follow-on-from-NZ-explosion&highlight=explosion

RSTC
19-04-2012, 05:17 PM
to answer OP http://www.coolconcerns.co.uk/HC-Refrigerant.pdf

Brian_UK
19-04-2012, 11:37 PM
Hold your fire boys.

You need the BOC Care card to purchase from BOC however what are other suppliers doing? Are they asking for evidence of training or are they making the sale and hoping for the best?

If Climate Centre (as above for example) where to sell a few canisters to me and I go blowing myself, some babies, puppies and a panda up, what would the supplier who sold to somebody untrained, say to the coroner or Magistrate?

see http://www.refrigeration-engineer.com/forums/showthread.php?32999-hydrocarbons-follow-on-from-NZ-explosion&highlight=explosionI understand quite happily what you are saying but do you have to have a certificate to buy some propane or butane to power your barbecue or gas cooker?

mikeref
20-04-2012, 12:16 AM
I understand quite happily what you are saying but do you have to have a certificate to buy some propane or butane to power your barbecue or gas cooker? Shhhh! You don't want the powers to be to introduce another regulation.;)

RSTC
20-04-2012, 02:37 PM
I understand quite happily what you are saying but do you have to have a certificate to buy some propane or butane to power your barbecue or gas cooker?

I'm hungry now!

Really, I'm posing the question for discussion. So as devils advocate I point that we not likely to try brazing a compressor onto a BBQ. If there was no risk or training needed then why are (some) suppliers insisting on training?

RSTC
20-04-2012, 02:42 PM
@Baileystan (http://www.refrigeration-engineer.com/forums/member.php?63127-Baileystan)
sorry for hijacking your thread

here are some helpful details:
http://www.hcrefrigerant.com/msds.htm
(http://www.hcrefrigerant.com/msds.htm)http://www.linde-gas.com/en/images/Linde%20Hydrocarbon%20Refrigerants17-11492.pdf
(http://www.linde-gas.com/en/images/Linde%20Hydrocarbon%20Refrigerants17-11492.pdf)http://www.es-refrigerants.com/resources/docs/FACTS%20ON%20HYDROCARBON%20REFRIGERANTS.pdf
(http://www.es-refrigerants.com/resources/docs/FACTS%20ON%20HYDROCARBON%20REFRIGERANTS.pdf)
This only makes me more hungry
http://www.benjerry.com/activism/environmental/hc-freezer/

cold.man
20-04-2012, 11:36 PM
here is some info

http://www.gtz.de/de/dokumente/gtz2010-en-guidelines-safe-use-hcs-part1-4.pdf

cold.man
20-04-2012, 11:46 PM
some more info on the codes of practice of HC refrigerants

http://www.feta.co.uk/bra/downloads/HC%20Cabinet%20Code%20-%20Final%20V1%20Jan2012.pdf

RSTC
23-04-2012, 08:40 AM
Here's another one from the same series
http://goo.gl/45hi2

These appear in the Institute of Refrigeration Ireland spring newsletter