Flare nuts...duuuuuh!!

[glenn1340]

Hi guys,
Just wondering after fitting some flare nuts to a cassette the other day and making a c ock up of it, how many times have you had to remake the same flare? my record is four: first attempt forgetting to put the nut on, second putting the nut on only to find it`s on the wrong way, third: getting it right but then realising the nut won`t go through that bulkhead.
Fourth and final flare ( by this time I was ready to pack it all in and become a hermit) Hurrah!
By the way the flare on the casstte mentioned was ok but on easing the 1/2" pipe into position I had that sinking feeling when the tube suddenly gave out and kinked...Oh what joy

[install monkey]

wow-are u a plumber? sometimes its best not to boast about being crap at flaring,but practice,practice,practise.
are u using a rolling flaring tool? try a small ammount of oil on the face of the flaring tools!-oh pipe from indoor to outdoor theres more space for flaring.

[paul_h]

Hey, that's harsh.
I've had problems with some copper cracking on 1/4" pair coil (the pre insulated crap), 4-5 times in my life I forgot the nut.
But nearly all the time it's trouble free and the flare is like a mirror baby!

[install monkey]

thats 4-5 times in your life(approx once every 5yrs, the post indicates 4 times on the same unit(same day) so hence my comment(plumbers in the uk are a pain in the ar*e just because they can pipe up radiators doesnt mean they should install splits. i know aussie plumbers are qualified to install ac pipework but not comission systems or run power supplies

[chillerman2006]

As 'Install' said not good to admit failures,

But I am not proud either, the main thing I used to do wrong was after flaring, I would attach the nut first, instead of the mating the faces first & have in the (distant) past messed a few up, more than I'd like to admit, but misstakes are good as they are the learning curves you never forget:D

[install monkey]

As 'Install' said not good to admit failures,

But I am not proud either, the main thing I used to do wrong was after flaring, I would attach the nut first, instead of the mating the faces first & have in the (distant) past messed a few up, more than I'd like to admit, but misstakes are good as they are the learning curves you never forget:D
cm were u a plumber too?:p

[chemi-cool]

If you can admit you made a mistake, you can fix it.

Its those who "don't make mistakes" that I'm worried about.

[monkey spanners]

I think four on one joint would be my record, seem to remember it wasn't until the third go i put the nut on....


Jon :p

[install monkey]

1st day of college flaring and swaging and brazing. whats worrying is if glen is 16-18 then that failure rate would be acceptable but if he is out of his time,then thats more worrying,but i bet he has a good scrap collection:p

[simon@parker]

1st day of college flaring and swaging and brazing. whats worrying is if glen is 16-18 then that failure rate would be acceptable but if he is out of his time,then thats more worrying,but i bet he has a good scrap collection:p
well with the price of scrap who can blame him its a great price at mo so perhaps he makin out he bit useless to his boss to make a few pennies think i gonna try that one :) lol

[install monkey]

its about £4 a kilo up here,but if his boss has his head screwed on then he'll be buying that lawton stuff thats double coated and worth f**k all.

[simon@parker]

lawton stuff wots that then not heard of it ? i do a few installs but try and buy from reputable suppliers as have had coils from cheap ones an tube is ovaled makin it a pain to spring bend an flare :) oh and i done the missed flare nut twice and over flared one once since i been using new 410 block they been perfect everytime have flared before and looked at it an thought bugger that an re done one cos it looked slightly off can be anally retentive some days like that lmao :)

[install monkey]

climate ctr are going to stock it soon.its copper pipe with an aluminum outer shell,worth nothing at the scrap yard and its 20% cheaper than normal coils,only prob is to swage it u need to clean the outer casing or braze a piece of copper in ! not good.
http://www.lawtontubes.co.uk/index.php/dual

[simon@parker]

plumbers are gonna love it and its shiney oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo love shiney :) lol

[chillerman2006]

cm were u a plumber too?:p

No, :DI bluffed my way into my 1st refrigeration job, & even managed to put the gauges on the wrong way round on the 1st day, with my new boss looking over saying "you might want to swap them over" :o


If you can admit you made a mistake, you can fix it.

Its those who "don't make mistakes" that I'm worried about.

Evening Chemi

Never a true'er word , Mate

I have met many that try to tell me ' I dont make mistakes' or, 'I fix it first time everytime'

My reply of "yeah I'm the queen of sheba" never goes down too well :D

R's chillerman

[mad fridgie]

I had many good years flaring, using the "grunter meter" to set the torque settings. One day a service engineer went to a job I had installed 6 months earlier, and said the 1/4" was leaking and the flare nut was loose (Later it was found that there was a leak on a manufactures joint) So for the next few jobs, I increased the grunt setting to ensure that the problem would not occur again. Bollocks I would just tighten to much, rip the flare of the end of the pipe. Luckily always sorted prior to commissioning. Went back to the old method, alls well again.

[paul_h]

Is that the:
6" shifter for 1/4"
8" shifter for 3/8"
10" shifter for 1/2"
12" shifter for 5/8"
Method? :) :D

[monkey spanners]

Is that the:
6" shifter for 1/4"
8" shifter for 3/8"
10" shifter for 1/2"
12" shifter for 5/8"
Method? :) :D


Thats how i do them!

Jon :D

[simon@parker]

can u still get flare spanners ? the engineer i worked with as an apprentice had loads dont see them in the climate or hrp books no more

[glenn1340]

I think some of you are taking things a bit to seriously. We`ve all had days where things just don`t go right. The flares were fine and I always use a roll type flarer it was just that the brain cells were a bit slow that day, and as for admiting mistakes, well as I`m fifty seven I wouldn`t be human if I hadn`t made a few in in the last forty one years of work.
By the way I`m not a pumber I served my five year apprenticeship on British Rail as a mechanical fitter. I`ve worked loco diesel engines, and tower cranes and crawler cranes in the plant industry. I know my way around a tool room where I can use all machines, how many here can say they can cut an internal Acme thread on a lathe?.
Sorry if it seems I`m ranting a bit but I get the impression I`m being called a bodger and I don`t like it.

[install monkey]

apologies for the harshness,but im a perfectionist,my lad is a 1st yr apprentice and i dont trust him flaring pipework due to the fact once youve cut the pipe then balls a flare up its not easy to stretch the pipework to rectify this, if his flares are no good on a practise peice of pipe then id stick his thumb in the block and wind it in! some of us take the mickey out of each other,its a way of letting off steam after a stressfull day.:)

[chillerman2006]

can u still get flare spanners ? the engineer i worked with as an apprentice had loads dont see them in the climate or hrp books no more

Snap-on & Mac Tools, do a wide selection of flare spanners (not cheap)

& when they offer you a catalogue 'say no thanks' or kiss goodbye to all your savings !

[chillerman2006]

We`ve all had days where things just don`t go right.

I get the impression I`m being called a bodger and I don`t like it.

Mr Bodger (just teasing)

Your so right, we do all get days like that when we just wish the day would end & it's time for home, feet up & a nice bit of dinner whilst relaxing.

Only to get home & find the dinners in the dog & you have a house full of yakking sheila's !
:rolleyes:

[simon@parker]

ooooooooooooooooooooooooo tool catalogue ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh poor mans porn if its shiney i will buy it lol savings ? i have an amazon account you know but no savings lmao and addressing mr install monkey yr sense of humour is just not everybodys taste lol i know i have same problem perhaps u should be chillermans donkey for a while as way of punishment lol and as for myself i apollogise if any of my comments offend in any way we all of different abilites and i have been blagging being an engineer for so long have even convinced myself i am reasonable so dont listen to a word i say :)

[chillerman2006]

ooooooooooooooooooooooooo u should be chillermans donkey

I keep a low profile my horse gets ripped:)

I pop my head up, I have been degraded to donkeys:)

Next thing your be saying I am a k**t lifter :o

Thanks I love you too mate ! :rolleyes:

[paul_h]

I disappear for a couple of months and this is what happens to the RE forum?*
;-)

No one uses flare spanners anymore it's torque wrenches (open end anyway), or the shifters.

* just checked, and even though it seems I've been away for ages, looks like I've been dropping in every couple of weeks.
So what the hell happened in such a really short time?

[simon@parker]

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr mr chillerman am sorry but i dont wanna feel yr love lmao sorry cant help myself i become fixated i apollogise if i have over stepped it a little :) torq wrenches oooooooooo like the sound of that but since i have a postman pat van am very limited on room dont even have a quarter of my tools on van an i can only get 2 gas bottles in an thats with a shoe horn an crow bar :( only been moaning bout it 2 an half yrs will start on the wrenches 2moro will have them in tie for my retirement lol might go for flare spanners as well just to cover all bases :) lmao

[install monkey]

youll have to clear out some of ur mucky mags(in your case screwfix/toolstation/machine mart) then u can get shiny tools,but do not fear my friend-you can put your mucky collection on ur pc,problem solved!pat haha
errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr mr chillerman am sorry but i dont wanna feel yr love lmao sorry cant help myself i become fixated i apollogise if i have over stepped it a little :) torq wrenches oooooooooo like the sound of that but since i have a postman pat van am very limited on room dont even have a quarter of my tools on van an i can only get 2 gas bottles in an thats with a shoe horn an crow bar :( only been moaning bout it 2 an half yrs will start on the wrenches 2moro will have them in tie for my retirement lol might go for flare spanners as well just to cover all bases :) lmao

[simon@parker]

already downloaded the tool catalogues on me phone an it aint a poncy i phone its loads better lol more of a computer and quicker than my laptop still need a bigger van though anyone got a job goin with a bigger one lol :) and i got loads of other stuff on my phone as well :) lol ;)

[install monkey]

you can have my van vw crafter 6speed 13bhp turbo give or take a few horses! haha,oh it also has a fleetsmart tracker under the dash for u to play with,problem is the boss pays peanuts and gets us monkeys!!!haha
already downloaded the tool catalogues on me phone an it aint a poncy i phone its loads better lol more of a computer and quicker than my laptop still need a bigger van though anyone got a job goin with a bigger one lol :) and i got loads of other stuff on my phone as well :) lol ;)

[simon@parker]

oh i can be a monkey anytime thats easy :) lol

[install monkey]

what about the few horses? i may have lost them from tear ar*ing about in me pimp chariot-maybe cm could do with one,its got pulling power!!!!!!! haha

[monkey spanners]

Heres some plumbing i did,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riOpBnYXncU

Quite pleased with it myself ;)

Jon :D

[install monkey]

so plumbers can do ac and vice versa!!! haha-can u sort out my wives plumbing-she seems to eat more cake than she can poop out and i think she is gonna explode!!!haha

[install monkey]

did 6 flares this week-100% sucess rate! -didnt get time to pipe the condenser! im on fire ! yeah!!

[chillerman2006]

Heres some plumbing i did,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riOpBnYXncU

Quite pleased with it myself ;)

Jon :D

checking out your plumbing Jon - nice job mate .... look what's played next http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP2QLKOnp6Y&NR=1 ... now this is what I call talent :D ... would not mind dropping in between them ! What do you think lads , bet she could flare & swage with them beauties, 1st time every time phew !!

R's chillerman

[install monkey]

http://youtu.be/WP2QLKOnp6Y
haha quality

[paul_h]

I like that MS.

I also like this linked vid after yours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooeS9B_I3bo&feature=fvwp&NR=1

[install monkey]

not as good as the work safe but still funny-check out the last one-ouch!!!

http://youtu.be/IzBy6agXKoA

[chillerman2006]

not as good as the work safe but still funny-check out the last one-ouch!!!

http://youtu.be/IzBy6agXKoA

Another day at the office ... shameless behaviour ...speaking of my favourite 'shameless' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZdAPCS1Sj8&NR=1 fanny waxing & chest shaving :D

[install monkey]

ive started a new thread! for vids -no doubt u have a sh*t hot porn collection to abuse it haha