articmaster

[shogun7]

Does any one have any experience wit this technology, if so, what are your thoughts?
http://www.energycsi.com/articmaster/

[rbartlett]

In October 1996, the ArticMaster RMS was awarded "Best New Product" at the 1996 Northern California Plant Engineering and Maintenance Show. ArticMaster RMS is a product without competition

so it's been around for 8 yrs plus and no ones heard of it? must be a winner..


cheers

richard

[chemi-cool]

Does anyone know if this system work anywhere?

Is it possible to get some information from people who have used it?

Chemi

[Abe]

As Richard points out.......Its been around 8 years and no ones heard about it ???

wow

Says it all...........

[shogun7]

I appreciate all the comments, like its been around for 8 years or no one has heard of it, but does any one have any experience with it< Does it really do what they claim, any proof that it saves 20% energy. Does any one have hard tech data, do any engineers have any installed. etc I need some feedback from the field in regards to it Also any issues regarding any equipment failures and warranty problems from using this product :confused:

[Peter_1]

Abby, Dan, Prof, Gary and myself discussed this stuff on the old Fridgetech discussion board about 4 years ago.

And what were your final conclusions?
It seems that they again can change nature laws.

I don't believe it at all, they talking of some sort turbulence in the lines (can do the same with ripple fins) but turbulence is friction, ....

I think it's more hocus-pocus.

[chemi-cool]

Hi Peter.

Hocus - focus or not I don't know but they mention the vortex tube. http://www.exair.com/vortextube/vt_page.htm?source=google&group=vortextube
and this is a very good thing and works fine.

Chemi

[Peter_1]

I have here at home a Vortex tube and used it in the past to experiment with.
You need a lot of compressed air at high pressure to see effect.
If it works as a vortex, you also need some sort of orifice inside the vortex, so this gives a pressure drop whereby you come in a log/P in th evapour/liquid region. Perhaps this is why they say that there is an increase in turbulence due to the vapour forming in the liquid. But vapour gives less thermal conductance to the wall of the tubes.

And between receiver and expansion valve, there is in a normal system no special heat exchange which contributes to a better performance.

It all should happen between the Articmaster and the TEV??!!
There must be some sort of heat exchange, otherwise there is no gain in performance, at least... that's what I'm thinking.

I don't see it, perhaps Marc can clarify.
If I have some time, I will look around on your forum Marc, but honestly, I thought it wasn't excisting anymore.

Peter

[Dan]

Hi, Peter. I recall some threads that were discussed many years ago in Fridgetech. I don't think we focused particularly on the Articmaster (you have to love the spelling). We were able to come up with several dubious devices touting similar savings... XDS and Talon come to mind. Many of which used "vortex" or "turbo" either in their names or implied in their design. Others simply moved the Btu/hr around to more convenient areas such as schemes that inject liquid into the discharge gas to increase condenser efficiency. Looking at Articmaster's sole visual aid, I have the same questions as you have regarding what it is doing... is that the one that had an impeller at the bottom? No matter.

I believe that some of the group saw some possible advantages for a given application (such as a badly worn out condenser in the example of injecting liquid into the discharge gas) but pretty much the claims were hard to support from a theoretical stand point for most of the designs discussed.

[Prof Sporlan]

XDS and Talon come to mind. Many of which used "vortex" or "turbo" either in their names or implied in their design.
ArticMaster and Talon are one in the same, and their energy savings is reasoned on vortex technology. XDX is a series of different products altogether....


Abby, Dan, Prof, Gary and myself discussed this stuff on the old Fridgetech discussion board about 4 years ago.
Hey Marc, how about a link to that discussion for old times sake? :) That discussion no doubt is buried somewhere on your site. The Prof recalls trying to figure out how centrifugal forces could increase subcooling... :)

[Dan]

Evening Professor. ArticMaster and Talon are one in the same, and their energy savings is reasoned on vortex technology. XDX is a series of different products altogether....

Thanks for the corrections. The professor has a finer memory than I.:) But doesn't XDX tout its effectiveness as a result of introducing a vortex or spiraling... or centrifugal flow throughout the evaporator to support its claims?


Hey Marc, how about a link to that discussion for old times sake? That discussion no doubt is buried somewhere on your site. The Prof recalls trying to figure out how centrifugal forces could increase subcooling...

Ahh. I am beginning to recall that you and Marc applied some interesting math that plumb eluded me then, as it no doubt would today. :)

[shogun7]

Professor all of your comments on this matter can be found www.eng-tips.com
:D
Mechanical Engineers Area - HVAC/R engineering Forum
ClydeMule (Mechanical) 11/21/03 (posted 03/18/03) 41 replies
Artic Master RMS-

[Gary]

Wow. Has it been 4 years already? Time flies when you're getting old.

[Dan]

Gosh. I think it is safe to say that Articmaster was discussed, at least to some small degree. :)

[Prof Sporlan]

It would be nice if archived threads of hvac/r interest could be made available, and searched from this site. There are many such threads from the old Fridgetech discussions.


Professor all of your comments on this matter can be found www.eng-tips.com
:D

Ahhhh!!! The Prof forgot about that discussion... and the fact that he received a star despite his math error :)

[Abe]

The secret link to our consultancy forum will hopefully remain a secret :)

Awww

So we cant join the big boys in the smoking room ??? :confused:
Is this a secret cult group for the big guns??? :(

Never mind............Ill go ride my bike instead !!! :)

[Dan]

The snowflake. Reminds me of a Dan Brown novel.... The O'Brien code. I'll be darned. Fun to look at after a few years. I learned from patient and inspired teachers in those discussions. :)