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frank
28-01-2009, 10:09 PM
Post your name here when you have passed!

Congratulations may be in order.

Quality
29-01-2009, 08:18 AM
Quality passed C & G 2079 Cat 1 - 23 Nov 2008

fanblade
29-01-2009, 09:19 AM
Fanblade passed C & G 2079 Cat 1 on 27th Jan 09 thanks to Mr White @ Polar Pumps Ltd Doncaster:)

trentvalley
02-02-2009, 10:37 AM
Passed C&G 2079, Cat 1 at Polar Training, Doncaster 29th Jan 2009. Just don't click your pen top! Thanks Pete.

Grizzly
02-02-2009, 08:04 PM
May I suggest that people DO NOT
refer to where they passed.
Or else this will just degenerate into a my training school is better than yours etc.
Besides your trainer is not everyones favourite!
Despite what He may tell you!
Grizzly

monkey spanners
12-02-2009, 10:12 PM
Passed F gas thingy :D

frank
12-02-2009, 10:16 PM
Passed F gas thingy :D

Well done.

How was it?

monkey spanners
12-02-2009, 11:52 PM
I was a bit worried about the theory test, with my being dyslexic, but it was ok. Need to know ph diagrams entropy, enthalpy etc.
Many of the people there knew how a system worked and what state refrigerant would be in in the different parts of the system but struggled with the correct technical terms, so that would be worth reading up on for some.

As seem to be the way with these types of tests some of the questions seemed to be worded in a way that makes you think they are writen by people who don't know how a refrigeration system works.....

The practical tests would be easier if i had been able to use my own tools. Simple things like different make recovery machines taps doing slightly different things, some have lp cut out some don't etc. Them using mbar and me used to micron for vacuum.
I've not used oxy propane before as we did for the brazing test. More used to oxyacc or mapp.

I think the assesors are able to tell the difference between somone working with kit that is new to them and someone who is not competent, so i don't think any of us have much to worry about.

Glad its over for five years ;)

Andy W
05-06-2009, 07:23 PM
I passed my 2079 cat 1 today, 6 of us took it, 4 passed, one lad re took it this afternoon and failed again.

I would recommend anyone to do a one day theory course first or you may struggle.

Quality
05-06-2009, 07:46 PM
Well Done Andy W

Magoo
06-06-2009, 03:55 AM
OK Frank, can you enlighten the rest of the world, what the hell is C & G 2009.
As an aside is everyone aware of the Copenhagen conference impending. All to do with refrigerants. carbon taxes etc.. Big brother and tree huggers are going to kill our industry.
magoo

marc5180
06-06-2009, 09:02 AM
The aim of this course is to introduce, train, assess and qualify, where appropriate, candidates who need to obtain the minimum legal qualification to install, commission, service, maintain, recover and leak check all refrigeration, air conditioning and heat pump systems in accordance with the F-Gas Regulation EC842/2006. All engineers will have to obtain this qualification by 4th July 2011.

What will be gained?

Sufficient skills, knowledge and techniques to:

* Fabricate and fit mechanical and brazed joints
* Pressure test and evacuate to BSEN378
* Charge a blended refrigerant
* Analyse system performance to ensure efficiency (using pressure, temperature, refrigerant state and rule of thumb)
* Leak test to EC1516/2007
* Maintain F-Gas log books and records
* Handle refrigerant safely and dispose of legally
* All candidates will be able to ensure systems are tight, efficient in their use of energy and meet the F-Gas legal requirements

How will it be tested?

* By a comprehensive practical assessment
* A forty question on-line assessment test

Peter_1
06-06-2009, 12:44 PM
I passed in September 2008.:D

old gas bottle
07-06-2009, 03:55 PM
passed ages ago . bring on the next pile of meaningless bull****.:D

frank
08-06-2009, 09:16 AM
OK Frank, can you enlighten the rest of the world, what the hell is C & G 2009.


Ooooppppps....

Fixed now :D

hoorain
29-06-2009, 07:35 PM
hi im new to RE and have no practical experience but since i have read most of the theory my personal opinion is that you can only perform a few tasks that dont need much of theory but to be a competent tech. and to solve certain problems you cant do without theory unless one performs as half tech. and half cowboy sorry for me bieng so blunt but i think many a competent techs.would agree to what i just suggested

paul thompson
08-08-2009, 11:35 PM
how could you pass 2079 in sept 08. it wasn,t introduced until dec 08

bryanbeech
18-09-2009, 08:51 PM
i passed a few weeks ago, I lernt a few things along the way.
Good luck to all
Ps i would def recomend theory training...

Voyager
19-09-2009, 11:58 PM
how could you pass 2079 in sept 08. it wasn,t introduced until dec 08

Peter_1 is in Belgium.

Must mean the equivalent to C&G 2079.

Peter_1
20-09-2009, 02:57 PM
First candidates already passed in May or June 2008.
I gave the first Belgium preparation courses. I insisted that all the candidates in this first session where selected amongst the best technicians they could find.
We then could fine-tune what we had prepared. :D
The preparation of all this started in 2007, so this isn't all that new anymore for me.
I also made the test rigs for the biggest Belgium exam center where I'm an assessor for the moment.
We have a meeting next month in Brussels how we will arrange the exams for Cat II, Cat III and Cat IV.
Anyone info how all this is arranged in the other countries?

andyc425
21-09-2009, 11:50 AM
i passed too where tog o from here?

acnerd
21-09-2009, 05:26 PM
I passed 2 weeks ago. It was the first proper F-gas course where they checked my practical ability in detail. These others I've been on in the past were almost a waste of time. :(

I thought the explanation of the Ph graphs were great.

Brazing with oxy-propane was "interesting" :D

The tutor explained that all engineers that work with refrigerants are meant to be certified by Feb 2011. He estimates there are 40 000 engineers in the UK, and that the institutions who offer the course could, in total, get through 4000 engineers a year. Do the maths!!!

nick uk
28-09-2009, 11:30 PM
i passed 26/8/2009 just recieved certificates

nevgee
01-10-2009, 09:12 PM
I cleared the hurdles today ... :)
It was a good reality check... If you know your stuff then it should be a breeze:D

jasperreefers
02-10-2009, 10:16 PM
Passed today North west Kent Collage J&E Hall. Highly recomended. I would suggest doing some theory study before hand. They seem to hammer the indirect method of leak testing and kept going on about Mollier charts,but as it happend only had one question on the charts

Testech
05-10-2009, 08:46 AM
What was the cost please ? - I know the Halls Centre quite well, and am interested in getting the 2079 shortly.

Testech
05-10-2009, 08:47 AM
Has anybody got any suggestions on getting the course notes or training notes for C&G 2079 please ?

Langer
15-10-2009, 06:30 PM
Passed today. :-)

Brian_UK
15-10-2009, 10:26 PM
Has anybody got any suggestions on getting the course notes or training notes for C&G 2079 please ?Go on the course, you get the notes then. :D

Seriously though, there wasn't anything surprising in the course notes that I used so starting a course without them beforehand shouldn't disadvatnage you at all.

We had a couple of guys who had very little practical experience but they understood and learned without great difficulty.

Brian_UK
23-10-2009, 11:04 PM
Well, that's it, finally taken the exam for the CITB course.

Glad to say that I passed, so another five years of allowable working.

Pooh
28-10-2009, 08:46 PM
I passed a while back and found some of the questions a bit weird. You all may be happy to know I have just gone through all the questions and hopefully made them make sense.

Well I can only hope.

Regards
Pooh

richelli
04-11-2009, 07:57 PM
Passed today!

frank
04-11-2009, 08:40 PM
Well done Richelli

jasperreefers
04-11-2009, 09:25 PM
What was the cost please ? - I know the Halls Centre quite well, and am interested in getting the 2079 shortly.
850+vat, for 4 and a half days I know it is cheaper but having my depot in Gravesend it was the best choice. it is Gravesend Collage now not at halls old place in Dartford

coolhibby1875
08-11-2009, 01:25 AM
you can find a pdf form on the city and guilds website, From there you can fully download all you need to pass as well as some of the question and answers. This will save you having to go on a 3 or 4 day course, Simply study the document then sit the test.

coolhibby1875
09-11-2009, 06:21 PM
sat test today, Passed with score of 78%

fowlie
10-11-2009, 06:48 PM
passed today not as hard as i was expecting.give it four to five years and they will have another type of course for us to do

frank
10-11-2009, 08:20 PM
Well done Fowlie and Coolhibby

harold1965
11-11-2009, 07:27 AM
you can find a pdf form on the city and guilds website, From there you can fully download all you need to pass as well as some of the question and answers. This will save you having to go on a 3 or 4 day course, Simply study the document then sit the test.

Hi,
Could anyone please direct me to this link-- If anyone is able to comment on any good training providers, I'd certainly appreciate it.
Thanks

coolhibby1875
11-11-2009, 11:23 PM
hi harold if you type city and guilds 2079 into google it will direct you right to it

harold1965
14-11-2009, 12:08 PM
Thanks for this- Have found it.There was one document i could not download as asked for a password but have got the other stuff.

I am now trying to decide where to study for this- need a reputable outfit that will explain the practical aspect & theory in a professional manner.

I do appreciate that names cannot be mentioned so if you guys do have any recommnedations please feel free to use the private message system on this forum

landylout
24-01-2010, 12:00 AM
Hi Guys,

Just passed the 2079 on friday in Aberdeen,pheew.

I work offshore as an Engineer onboard a oil producing ship ,so we are required to look after the fridges and A/C units .This course was really good for us guys .:D

Craig

Latte
27-01-2010, 10:03 PM
Yeah done it today, passed OK

Still not sure what all this empathy chart stuff is but know enough to know what part of the cycle was where and where all the 4 components are. Can i forget it all now :-)

paul thompson
29-01-2010, 11:41 PM
The aim of this course is to introduce, train, assess and qualify, where appropriate, candidates who need to obtain the minimum legal qualification to install, commission, service, maintain, recover and leak check all refrigeration, air conditioning and heat pump systems in accordance with the F-Gas Regulation EC842/2006. All engineers will have to obtain this qualification by 4th July 2011.

What will be gained?

Sufficient skills, knowledge and techniques to:

* Fabricate and fit mechanical and brazed joints
* Pressure test and evacuate to BSEN378
* Charge a blended refrigerant
* Analyse system performance to ensure efficiency (using pressure, temperature, refrigerant state and rule of thumb)
* Leak test to EC1516/2007
* Maintain F-Gas log books and records
* Handle refrigerant safely and dispose of legally
* All candidates will be able to ensure systems are tight, efficient in their use of energy and meet the F-Gas legal requirements

How will it be tested?

* By a comprehensive practical assessment
* A forty question on-line assessment test
:DSIMPLES AS THE MEER CAT SAYS :D:cool:

freezetech
30-01-2010, 08:45 PM
passed mine yesterday real good course tutor was brilliant

reddragon air con

coolincab
31-01-2010, 10:50 PM
passed ok 73%
Surpriseing thing was it wasent some failed engineer with the gift of the gab that did the practial part. He knew the job
Did it with a refrigeration firm in Aberdeen
Cant wait for the next 1
not;)

Andy AC
06-02-2010, 10:52 PM
Didn't do the 2079 - did the J11, the other one, passed yesterday.:)

Andy

paul thompson
06-02-2010, 11:57 PM
Didn't do the 2079 - did the J11, the other one, passed yesterday.:)

Andy
is that the citb one that has to be re-taken/ up dated every 5 years ?????:D

monkey spanners
07-02-2010, 03:49 PM
is that the citb one that has to be re-taken/ up dated every 5 years ?????:D

I think they both need re taking every five years now :confused:

1torr
07-02-2010, 11:21 PM
Passed last week.

tony--1
15-02-2010, 06:48 PM
passed today . was told it lasted forever ....well until they change it lmao.

frank
15-02-2010, 08:34 PM
passed today . was told it lasted forever ....

They said the same to me when I got the 2078 :D

ianybeany
15-02-2010, 09:59 PM
Passed on thursday, Nice one!!

ballvalve
15-02-2010, 10:18 PM
passed dec 2006

robin r33 gtr
12-03-2010, 01:05 AM
passed today. :cool:

Kev The Tool
14-03-2010, 07:42 PM
Hi, Passed my 2079 march 3rd 2010, posted a reply in F-Gas exam questions thread, all the best to any lads still to do it. Kev

celcius007
22-03-2010, 09:11 PM
passed feb 09
thanks coolconcerns

mr a
23-03-2010, 03:31 PM
Hi there, I am new to this site , Is there anybody out there that can help me pass the F2079:D

FREEZER1970
27-05-2010, 07:08 PM
passed cg 2079 today,excellent tutor,good course learned a lot

martinw58
27-05-2010, 10:45 PM
pased c&g at ellis training why take citb every 5 years when you do not have to renew c&g

pendlesteve
28-05-2010, 12:52 PM
In response to the question by AndyAC, Constructionskills (CITB) is valid for 5 years then taken again. C&G 2079 has no time set against it at present.

dazdidge
13-06-2010, 07:41 PM
Not been in here for quite some time and thought it was time to pop back in. Managed to pass the 2079 on 11th june. Not quite as hard as I thought it was going to be but not exactly easy, I know some guys that will find it very hard going! If you have half decent knowledge in your job and a willingness to learn some new stuff then it really shouldn't pose a problem. Practical was pretty easy, nothing more than most of you guys will do day to day

daz

paul thompson
13-06-2010, 08:04 PM
passed july 2009. enjoyed it ,

globalwave
19-06-2010, 04:10 PM
I passed C&G 2079 Cat1 on 30 April 2010

raz5
19-06-2010, 06:41 PM
30th November 2009 only just seen this thread :D

YoungBoy
19-06-2010, 10:37 PM
passed mine jan 2010 must have been the first in the company!! and the least experienced!!! get in!

andrewuk
27-06-2010, 09:41 PM
passed my 2079 friday ,good course , practical easy peasy, theory i got 88% prob took about 25 minutes .
felt good to pass . was good to go over everything to do the course , almost like a refresher course , jog the brain cells into gear . the c&g you dont have to retest after 5 years , but the citb one you have to .

fridgemandan
18-07-2010, 06:47 PM
passed last week, sat the 3 day course but some of the guys ,anaged to get the preactical done on the second day but due to legth of one on one practical half had to turn up the following day, thought the practical was a little stretched out but theory side was ok, sat with hrp who where very good,

crayfish
08-08-2010, 08:01 PM
passed the other day happy days

Reffnut
15-08-2010, 09:22 AM
Passed mine about 6 months ago, I found it abit to easy to be honest, i think it should be alot more of a challenge to get thorough

cakes
25-08-2010, 10:33 PM
all passed year 1 and 2 of C&G and f-gas...... June 2010,, hurry for no more homework..... :D

stuartwking
25-09-2010, 07:36 PM
Passed the C&G 2079 CAT 1 last week, Its about time that the industry had a proper standard qualification.
The only thing i would change would be raise the pass mark!, 60% i thought was a little low!.,

chilliwilly
26-09-2010, 01:58 AM
OK Frank, can you enlighten the rest of the world, what the hell is C & G 2009.
As an aside is everyone aware of the Copenhagen conference impending. All to do with refrigerants. carbon taxes etc.. Big brother and tree huggers are going to kill our industry.
magoo


Just been reading throught the posts and I see that no one has answered your question. Let me explain it briefly.

City and guilds is an examination board that was set up in the UK over 100 years ago. It was mainly there as an examining board for trades people that worked on the tools. And they were three levels A, B, and C, although now there are nine levels. And are now called level one to nine. Level one is the lowest level and nine being equilavent to a PHD. They used to be with you for life, but now its a different case for some reason.

Usually to be a qualified trades person in the UK you need to have at least two of these City and Guilds to at least level three. Which usually can take eighteen months on full time block release, or three years on part time day and evening.

Since someone dreamed up the theory of "Ozone Depletion" and "Global Warming". They also dreamed up of a way of forcing some trades to have a minimum standard of training and qualifications. The City and Guilds 2078/79 being one of them. Whether or not you knew what you were doing, and already had thirty plus years of experience behind you.

Not being content with taking your money off you once for the training and examination, they made the qualification last for three plus years. After which it runs out then you have to do it all again, otherwise your breaking the law and you won't be able to purchase fridge gas.

You need to go back to a City and Guilds approved training centre and once again learn or prove you know how to use a recovery machine, make mechanical and brazed joints, the safe use of oxy/fuel gas, pressure test and vack out, charge with an Azeotrope blend, and pass a theory test.

Imagine that though, installing pipework on Monday, pressure testing and vacking out on Tuesday, then on Wednesday you can't gas it up because on that day your qualification has run out. And there's no one else available to gas up or commision the system. And some people say its about time they had a qualification like this!...?

r.bartlett
26-09-2010, 04:02 AM
Imagine that though, installing pipework on Monday, pressure testing and vacking out on Tuesday, then on Wednesday you can't gas it up because on that day your qualification has run out. And there's no one else available to gas up or commision the system. And some people say its about time they had a qualification like this!...?

What like no one in the whole of Europe? Every single engineer is unavaliable or their qualification ran out the same day too?

Doesn't sound likely. Have you got anything even slightly convincing?

chilliwilly
26-09-2010, 10:46 AM
What like no one in the whole of Europe? Every single engineer is unavaliable or their qualification ran out the same day too?

Doesn't sound likely. Have you got anything even slightly convincing?

...One man band maybe, or two or three. Or maybe one engineer trained up and licenced, with a couple of others trained up and working supervised. As the company is struggling financially and hasn't got the financial recsources to renew on the deadline.

Unless of course they can find maybe "like someone in the whole of Europe," who's up to date and prepared to drop everything and come and get you out of the sh!t, Because they wholly agree with the qualfication and its implementation. Failing that I suppose they could just carry on and use their stock of *****, and just hope that the EPA's satelite just doesn't happen to be zoomed in and watching them on that particular day.

Is that a bit more convincing for you? If not please continue to post and I will endeavour to try and slightly convince you further.

r.bartlett
26-09-2010, 01:29 PM
...One man band maybe, or two or three. Or maybe one engineer trained up and licenced, with a couple of others trained up and working supervised. As the company is struggling financially and hasn't got the financial recsources to renew on the deadline.

Sadly if you can't afford to train you can't afford to be in the business. Sad but true.

If a OMB is so badly organized he let his ticket run out then that's his fault and his responsibility.We're in a recession and God knows it's tight at the moment but I cannot flout the law as it puts me and my customers at risk.
What would my customer think if I told them "sure I got them dragged through the courts/press because I was making a stand against the law or 'forgot' and yes I could have told them first that my ticket ran out and..."

Most Facilities managers etc will not thank you when get hauled over the coals because they got their company bad press by using a contractor who was breaking the law.


Remember your name will be in the press but so will your customers. YOU have the responsibility to comply irrespective of if you agree with the law or not. If you don't agree and refuse to comply at least have the decency to inform your customers first then he can make his own decision !


Unless of course they can find maybe "like someone in the whole of Europe," who's up to date and prepared to drop everything and come and get you out of the sh!t, Because they wholly agree with the qualfication and its implementation. Failing that I suppose they could just carry on and use their stock of *****, and just hope that the EPA's satelite just doesn't happen to be zoomed in and watching them on that particular day. As it stands engineers and subbies are two a penny. Most will pull your hand off if you offer them some work!
If we cannot organise properly given we operate in a business where things change minute by minute then we pay the consequences. Business is only 50% hands on, the rest is legal and 'other' so I would suggest whilst it's a pain it's just a small part which should be accommodated.
The main 'problem' is that we're mid recession and it will be the straw that breaks for some but there are going to be plenty more tests over the next couple of years which will bust more than a few irrespective of this particular regulation. Although this is only the start. The next phase will be full refrigerant regulation and traceability from source through supplier, contractor, customer and back again.

If you agree with the accreditation you will try to ensure you remain within the law. If you don't agree then you'll practice illegally. Some will bend the law and the rules and try to self justify "It's only a day" etc. Most will get away with it but if they get caught should they complain?


Is that a bit more convincing for you? If not please continue to post and I will endeavour to try and slightly convince you further.No not really.:p

If that is your whole argument then why bother to take your car test? Costs time and money and you don't get anything from it apart from a ticket which enables you drive legally?

The law is with us now and is unlikely to be rescinded. It's up to you to either mount a campaign against it and see if you can get sufficient backers to get the law changed. Good luck :D

chilliwilly
26-09-2010, 09:01 PM
. Sad but true.

If a OMB is so badly organized he let his ticket run out then that's his fault and his responsibility.We're in a recession and God knows it's tight at the moment but I cannot flout the law as it puts me and my customers at risk.
What would my customer think if I told them "sure I got them dragged through the courts/press because I was making a stand against the law or 'forgot' and yes I could have told them first that my ticket ran out and..."

Most Facilities managers etc will not thank you when get hauled over the coals because they got their company bad press by using a contractor who was breaking the law.


Remember your name will be in the press but so will your customers. YOU have the responsibility to comply irrespective of if you agree with the law or not. If you don't agree and refuse to comply at least have the decency to inform your customers first then he can make his own decision !

As it stands engineers and subbies are two a penny. Most will pull your hand off if you offer them some work!
If we cannot organise properly given we operate in a business where things change minute by minute then we pay the consequences. Business is only 50% hands on, the rest is legal and 'other' so I would suggest whilst it's a pain it's just a small part which should be accommodated.
The main 'problem' is that we're mid recession and it will be the straw that breaks for some but there are going to be plenty more tests over the next couple of years which will bust more than a few irrespective of this particular regulation. Although this is only the start. The next phase will be full refrigerant regulation and traceability from source through supplier, contractor, customer and back again.

If you agree with the accreditation you will try to ensure you remain within the law. If you don't agree then you'll practice illegally. Some will bend the law and the rules and try to self justify "It's only a day" etc. Most will get away with it but if they get caught should they complain?

No not really.:p

If that is your whole argument then why bother to take your car test? Costs time and money and you don't get anything from it apart from a ticket which enables you drive legally?

The law is with us now and is unlikely to be rescinded. It's up to you to either mount a campaign against it and see if you can get sufficient backers to get the law changed. Good luck :D

Yes its up to me to point out the obvious shmozzle. And people like yourself to support the claims of the third party industries that have a been given a legal right to cream off the firms and engineers that already know how to read and do their job.

I scencerely hope that you or anyone else on or off this site, doesn't end up in the position of your quote "Sadly if you can't afford to train you can't afford to be in the business" A somewhat Cavalier quotation. But then again maybe you have the best customer base in the country, and you feel you have a right to make such quotes.

Let's hope that your customer base doesn't get dragged through the courts for insolvency or something worse, that will affect theirs and your business. Then you just might end up serving that quote with a large helping of humble pie. And lets also hope that you don't get undercut by some of these subbies that would take your hand off for some work. Like you say we're in a recession and no contract lasts forever. By the way can you give me their number? All the subbies that I know need a couple of days notice for work availabillity.

Who says that I'm refusing to comply anyway? I don't agree with wheel clamping neither, but if there's a notice up I won't park my motor there.

That isn't my whole argument. And my drivers licence is with me for life, as are the trade licences in North America. Unlike Europe. They don't have to renew them every three years or more.

And I don't suppose there's much point in asking you to join such a campaign then? Unless of course you find yourself eating your quote, then you just might reconsider your support for these attourneyed bandits.

cool runings
26-09-2010, 09:08 PM
Since someone dreamed up the theory of "Ozone Depletion" and "Global Warming". They also dreamed up of a way of forcing some trades to have a minimum standard of training and qualifications. The City and Guilds 2078/79 being one of them. Whether or not you knew what you were doing, and already had thirty plus years of experience behind you.

Not being content with taking your money off you once for the training and examination, they made the qualification last for three plus years. After which it runs out then you have to do it all again, otherwise your breaking the law and you won't be able to purchase fridge gas.

You need to go back to a City and Guilds approved training centre and once again learn or prove you know how to use a recovery machine, make mechanical and brazed joints, the safe use of oxy/fuel gas, pressure test and vack out, charge with an Azeotrope blend, and pass a theory test.

Imagine that though, installing pipework on Monday, pressure testing and vacking out on Tuesday, then on Wednesday you can't gas it up because on that day your qualification has run out. And there's no one else available to gas up or commision the system. And some people say its about time they had a qualification like this!...?


Hi ya Chilly.

Your not quite correct with the ticket running out.

C&G is a qualification for life and does not need to be retaken.
What does happen though is the government change the law and qualifications need upgrading because of that.

Do not confuse C&G with CITB they both have equal qualifications but CITB does need renewing every 5 years.

As for a one man band not being able to trade Wednesday if his tickets runs out, well who is to blame there.
The Fgas has been on the cards for about 7 years it has been in operation since 2009 and does not fully come
into force until nexy July (2011) so there has been plenty of opportunaty to get the new Fgas qualification.

From your explanation to the original question it would sound as though you are not a fan of the new qualification :D :p

All the best

coolrunings

.

chilliwilly
26-09-2010, 10:33 PM
I am all for training that's going to educate and neccessary to make somebody a qualified tradesperson. But I am not a fan of training or organsiations that have a legal backing to repeat your training and you gain nothing from it. I have both the 2078 until next July, but to be honest even after not being in the trade for nearly 23 years, I didn't really learn anything from the course. I could've read about the safe gas handling in a publication. As we had a small recovery machine at the firm where I worked to recover a refrigerant that contained etha and some other unkown substance, so it wasn't as if I didn't know how to use it. Although I had forgot all about it until I saw the recovery machines in the training centre.

We had to use it on certain sites that implemented the safe removal of explosive/asphixiating gases. And you were supervised by a PSA clark of works that quoted some OTT jargon about the safe removal of such gases. I already had a City and Guilds FJTP in welding and fabrication, but that's not recognised for pipework and brazing for some reason. I don't why though because the qualification covers more than the CITB or the 2078/9.

Going back to the 2079, a couple of colleagues of mine couldn't get on any courses to renew over to the 2079 after their 2078 run out, along with their CITB. They were going through tough financial times up to it running out, and couldn't finance any new customer base, and couldn't afford to renew or join any organisation to cover them. So they ended up folding their businesses due to financial problems, and the Fgas regulations documention already implemented with some of their existing and potential new customers.

They found jobs within companies, if there were some concession given for the renewal time, they would still have been in business as they had new work lined up but unable to carry it out, or get any suitable and reliable subbies to carry it out. But now they're having so much a month docked from their wages to cover the cost of the companies 2079 training costs. So as you can imagine they're not too happy about it, especially when the company can claim the cost of training against their overheads.

There should be by now, a tax code for trades folk who have to provide their own training so they can continue working in their careers, with no costs incurred. If you work in a factory, you'd clock in, and clock out then go home with only your bus fares.

I didn't actually know that the 2079 lasted for life. When my 2078 runs out I don't think I'll bother renewing the CITB. Especially if its equivalent to the 2079, as it seems like a waste of money.

Can you see my point though about having to renew when you are being financially shafted and have no money to renew. A bit like running out of toilet paper when you've had a sh!t at work on a Friday afternoon, do you pull up your pants and go back to work, or wait there all weekend till the cleaner passes you another roll under the door on Monday morning.

You also have to take into consideration if you can't renew/changeover until the near deadline of your ticket running out due to course availabillity. And for some reason you miss attending, could be illness, bereavement, or some other matter. In any which case you won't be able to gas up on Wednesday. and on that day you become a criminal for finishing your job. But if a little prick steals a car or goes on the rampage and causes countless losses, they are caught, arrested, charged then released on bail and goes and does it again. The difference is they have caused intentional losses, If you gas up your system on Wednesday you haven't caused any losses except to these third party industries for not forking out to renew.

But if the 2079 is going to be for life and stays that way, and you don't need to have your CITB ticket, it shouldn't be a major problem. Once you have got it you've got it. Lets just hope that these third party industries that dream up these requirements don't make it like CORGI and the Gas Safe Register. In any case why should a change in documetation justify a membership with an organisation or renewing your qualifications. You don't have to renew your driving test when they ammend the highway code.

r.bartlett
27-09-2010, 06:00 AM
Yes its up to me to point out the obvious shmozzle. And people like yourself to support the claims of the third party industries that have a been given a legal right to cream off the firms and engineers that already know how to read and do their job.

I scencerely hope that you or anyone else on or off this site, doesn't end up in the position of your quote "Sadly if you can't afford to train you can't afford to be in the business" A somewhat Cavalier quotation. But then again maybe you have the best customer base in the country, and you feel you have a right to make such quotes.

Let's hope that your customer base doesn't get dragged through the courts for insolvency or something worse, that will affect theirs and your business. Then you just might end up serving that quote with a large helping of humble pie. And lets also hope that you don't get undercut by some of these subbies that would take your hand off for some work. Like you say we're in a recession and no contract lasts forever. By the way can you give me their number? All the subbies that I know need a couple of days notice for work availabillity.

Who says that I'm refusing to comply anyway? I don't agree with wheel clamping neither, but if there's a notice up I won't park my motor there.

That isn't my whole argument. And my drivers licence is with me for life, as are the trade licences in North America. Unlike Europe. They don't have to renew them every three years or more.

And I don't suppose there's much point in asking you to join such a campaign then? Unless of course you find yourself eating your quote, then you just might reconsider your support for these attourneyed bandits.


You're rambling without much purpose.:confused:

I have been running a SME since 1987 and have taken many hits in that time. The latest is 30k which has hit us hard...But no I won't be joining Luddites like you who want all the good times but whinge like a bitch when the sun goes in.

chilliwilly
27-09-2010, 04:51 PM
The sun hasn't gone down on me, I'm still as busy as I want to be, sure I have had losses and gains like anybody else. I just don't agree with lining the pockets of chancers who don't have to take a risk in their attourney backed business. £30k eh, I suppose it has to hurt someone at sometime. As long as it heals that's the main thing.
Anyway keep on keeping on. ;)

cool runings
27-09-2010, 10:04 PM
Snip
Going back to the 2079, a couple of colleagues of mine couldn't get on any courses to renew over to the 2079 after their 2078 run out, along with their CITB.

Snip

But now they're having so much a month docked from their wages to cover the cost of the companies 2079 training costs.
snippity snip
I didn't actually know that the 2079 lasted for life. When my 2078 runs out I don't think I'll bother renewing the CITB. Especially if its equivalent to the 2079, as it seems like a waste of money.

code.

Hi Chilly

I under stand what you are saying Chilly but the City & Guilds 2078 has been superceded by the 2079.

The CITB J 02 has been superceded by the J11.

They are diferent quals but both do the same thing.

The City & Guilds suposidly lasts for life unless the law changes
The CITB needs renewing every 5 years.

So if anyone has a gas handle qual now it is valid until July 2011 when the new qual comes into force properly.

Nobody with a C&G 2078 needs to stop working, they have till next July to qualify.

All the best

coolrunings

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chilliwilly
01-10-2010, 10:47 PM
Yes I know that now. But as far as I'm aware my 2078 Ammonia is valid beyond that date. But I've misplaced my certificate.

Not that I do much Ammonia these days, but if I do and some asks to see it I suppose I'll have to look harder.

raz5
01-10-2010, 11:11 PM
WOW talk about post hijacking :eek:

cool runings
03-10-2010, 12:53 AM
Yes I know that now. But as far as I'm aware my 2078 Ammonia is valid beyond that date. But I've misplaced my certificate.

Not that I do much Ammonia these days, but if I do and some asks to see it I suppose I'll have to look harder.

Your ammonia will be good for many many years and if you realy need it,
you can get a duplicate cert from C&G.

all the best

coolrunings

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voltair
01-11-2010, 08:58 AM
Hi guys
How can a guy living in Africa obtain this qualification of C&G 2079. Is it by distance learning or there is a way how. Could someone fill me in please

taz24
01-11-2010, 09:11 AM
Hi guys
How can a guy living in Africa obtain this qualification of C&G 2079. Is it by distance learning or there is a way how. Could someone fill me in please


Part of the assessment is practical so you have to be
here in person, or the assessor has to be with you in person, at least ;).

The qualification is valid anywhere in the EU so although the British
will be biased to there system you could get the equivalent qual from
any of the EU member states.

taz

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hoko1971
04-11-2010, 06:09 PM
Passed today cat 1 woo hoo

Willsmithiraq
04-11-2010, 06:26 PM
Passed Cat 1 April 2010, nice to have a bit if a refresher too!!

gammon
09-11-2010, 11:13 PM
Passed October 09, the theory was quite good but the same practical work for 5 days was pointless!

spwright
12-11-2010, 06:43 PM
Has anyone whilst on assessment been asked to charge at least 3kG into the test rig so as to comply with the so called regs...:( would love to hear your assessment stories good bad or indifferant.

spwright
12-11-2010, 06:48 PM
Hi guys
How can a guy living in Africa obtain this qualification of C&G 2079. Is it by distance learning or there is a way how. Could someone fill me in please
Cant see any reason why not... but you would need to do a practical assessment with an assessor present on suitable equipment, which means either the kit comes to you or you go to the kit. Essentailly you could deliver the course anywhere in the world.

spwright
12-11-2010, 06:49 PM
Passed Cat 1 April 2010, nice to have a bit if a refresher too!!
Are you sure! how much gas did you charge into the rig? if it was less the 3kG C&G could argue it was at Cat2

djbe
12-11-2010, 09:29 PM
Has anyone whilst on assessment been asked to charge at least 3kG into the test rig so as to comply with the so called regs...:( would love to hear your assessment stories good bad or indifferant.

Passed today, Cat1 and yes I was asked to charge at least 3kg (the rig held 3.2kg).

steve t
17-11-2010, 10:15 PM
Hey guys new to the forum but passed 2079 today phew what a relief! :cool:

Quality
17-11-2010, 10:52 PM
Are you sure! how much gas did you charge into the rig? if it was less the 3kG C&G could argue it was at Cat2

The practical assessment for cat 2 or cat 1 is identical except the less, than 3kg or more than 3kg.

Its not just the amount as the task is the same regardless of the charge.

it is the knowledge i.e. exam or test which differentiates
the competence from very little to much more with cat 1 or cat 2


PS C&G are not going to argue to anybody but the center who carried out the assessment.

ps where have you been for 2 years

Iceman1990
19-11-2010, 02:48 PM
I PASSED LAST WEEK!!
Good to know i'll be able to work next year

:D

improver No1
19-11-2010, 10:42 PM
hell yeh passed in feb 2010

install monkey
08-12-2010, 08:44 PM
passed 2079-hate exams-engineer arent designed to click mice!83.4%

RONB
16-12-2010, 07:02 PM
Cat 1 just passed. Thank ----

marc5180
24-12-2010, 10:03 AM
I passed last Friday :-)

Robert Hilton
24-12-2010, 07:41 PM
I was given mine in June. Passed the STEK in '94.

Oilfilter
28-01-2011, 03:17 PM
Passed city & guilds 2079

mupdook1
29-01-2011, 12:03 PM
passed C+G 2079 yesterday. phew!!!:cool:

wazzer21
07-02-2011, 01:23 PM
Done in now How long dose it last is it for life

paddyaircon
16-02-2011, 06:01 PM
Passed mine . Scary having someone watch over you while you work . Good Course all in all.

leighboy
16-02-2011, 06:55 PM
all done and passed today 16/2/11 hrp rougham

bobby blue shoe
16-02-2011, 08:22 PM
Passed J11 September 2010,

frank
16-02-2011, 09:49 PM
Well done lads...hope you learned a little something along the way...:)

gash
18-02-2011, 10:36 PM
passed mine a long time ago in 06 if i remember correctly :D

leffe blonde
19-02-2011, 11:09 PM
passed mine in 2005,stafford

druboy
23-02-2011, 07:19 PM
passed last week pointless if you ask me i passed the 2078 in 1998 and been in work since so if could not do the job would not be employed

croc1774
26-02-2011, 12:19 AM
Passed today hooray

RatsPom
02-03-2011, 09:56 PM
Passed today , well this evening at college. Thank heavens that's over with !!

laird.d
11-03-2011, 05:57 PM
C&G 2079 Passed today..Big thankyou to Andy at Energy Solutions birmingham for doing a great job in tutoring us all through the course.

W.Miller
12-03-2011, 10:03 AM
I've F-Gas but not C&G 2079. What is the difference?

cool runings
13-03-2011, 12:22 AM
I've F-Gas but not C&G 2079. What is the difference?

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if you had the qual you would know??

What do you think F gas is?

2079 is a City & Guilds qual that meets the F gas standard.
J11 is a CITB qual that meets the F gas standard.

In the UK you need one or the other.

If you had one you should know??

Don't you think it would be wise knowing what you are qualified to???

coolrunnings.

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W.Miller
13-03-2011, 11:03 AM
.

if you had the qual you would know??

What do you think F gas is?

2079 is a City & Guilds qual that meets the F gas standard.
J11 is a CITB qual that meets the F gas standard.

In the UK you need one or the other.

If you had one you should know??

Don't you think it would be wise knowing what you are qualified to???

coolrunnings.

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I know what it is, I just wondered what the difference was. To me F-gas is F-gas. Yes i'm in the uk, I did mine business edge

cool runings
13-03-2011, 03:16 PM
I know what it is, I just wondered what the difference was. To me F-gas is F-gas. Yes i'm in the uk, I did mine business edge

So what you are saying is....

You have done some F gas training and have a qualification but you do not
know what qual you have or what the differences are??

Makes me wonder how you passed the qual in the first place!!

coolrunnings

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cool runings
13-03-2011, 03:29 PM
.

My last comments sound harsh and I'm sorry that is how it must apear but
The refrigeration industry is my lively hood and anything or anyone who
lowers the quality or standards that we should work to worry me.

For example a few posts earlier there are guys saying I did it in 2005 or 2006
F gas (2079 - J11) has only be in effect since 2009, so what qualification
do some people think they have??

Plus there is a guy a few posts ago stating its a waste of time because he is
doing his job and therfore must be doing it right because he would not be employed
otherwise.

Well I'm telling you the standards out there are shocking...

There are so called qualified engineers who have never fitted gauges.
There are guys who do not know that gauges actualy show the saturation temp
of the refrigerant in the evap or cond.
There are guys that vac to the 30"hg scale on the compound (LP) gauge for 10 mins
and think that is sufficient.
Need I go on..............

We need standards in the industry and in my opinion F gas may not be the correct
standard but at least it is mandatory and will help bring up the standards within the trade.

So I will not say sorry for being passionate about my trade and about my knowledge and skill.

I think that all flares should be removed from AC and splits specificaly. I also think that the sooner
rfrigerants are only sold to qualified engineers the beter and no system should be
sold with a factory charge inside.

coolrunnings

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W.Miller
13-03-2011, 08:19 PM
I think F-gas introduced more cowboys into the game then ever before. I thought it was suppose to improve things. To me it is refrigerant handling with a practical added on, I am also unhappy with other people from other tades gaining the qualification, it's not right. I have seen plumbers and sparkies that have got f-gas. It's not right and needs to be policed better.

I agree with the post above.

Quality
13-03-2011, 09:32 PM
.
F gas (2079 - J11) has only be in effect since 2009

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Slight correction there ,some of the first to be certified for 2079 was in oct/nov 2008 I know as was one of them
J11 was available from march 2009
I am also passionate or maybe a little anal

cool runings
18-03-2011, 01:36 AM
Slight correction there ,some of the first to be certified for 2079 was in oct/nov 2008 I know as was one of them
J11 was available from march 2009
I am also passionate or maybe a little anal

No mate note anal, well not much anyway :p

But you are right the assessors and training staff went through
the qual first, sombody had to be the guiney pigs :)..


All the best mate.....

coolrunnings

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Tradewinds
19-03-2011, 01:43 PM
I have to agree with you W Miller. This is not a bridging course or fast track way into the RAC Industry. C&G training centres are actually meant to assess each candidate prior to doing the course to ensure they are suitable and therefore more likely to pass. Here's what the C&G 2079 handbook says:

City and Guilds Level 2 Award in F Gas and ODS Regulations (2079) Qualification handbook states under candidate requirements:

“ it is recommended that candidates should hold or be working towards the level 2 NVQ in Refrigeration and Air Conditioning, or an equivalent or higher qualification, in order to be able to satisfactorily complete the City & Guilds level 2 award in F Gas and ODS Regulations”. “Without evidence of formal qualifications, candidates must be able to demonstrate adequate prior knowledge and experience to ensure they have the potential to successfully gain the qualification”.

The problem is, when an assessment is done with integrity by an A1 qualified assessor, and he fails a student, then there is a financial implication to re-train the engineer and companies don't like having to fork out twice to get their guys qualified. If done correctly, the 2079 is a pretty tough course (both theory and practical) and I don't see how anyone without experience could get through it. Especially doing a CAT 1 Exam.

Bigfreeze
28-04-2011, 12:19 AM
Passed C&G 2079 today. Not too much off a bother. Half day course to prep and dived in. Think you need a decent level of refrigeration knowledge to pass it but even the best fridgie on earth would get some of the questions wrong
because the answers make no sense to anyone. But its done and dusted and hopefully it will weed out some cowboys.

andfield1
16-05-2011, 09:29 PM
C&G 2079 catagory 1

Passed 15/04/11 Thanks to Andy @ Energy Solutions for excellent 3 day course.

Kev The Tool
17-05-2011, 01:49 PM
I agree tradewinds but i have to ask you how you feel about the CITB j11 qual, i personaly dont see the point of recommending that canditates should be qualified or working towards it to gain the 2079, when you can just slip in the back door and do a j11. i have posted my feelings on the j11 in other threads, i think the 2079 will sort the wheat from the chaff but if you fail the 2079 then you can do the open book CITB j11, does this not make a mockery of all of us who have studied and paid attention to our teachers over the years, and are trying to keep within the law from a moral point of view not a financial one.
Kev

cool runings
17-05-2011, 07:48 PM
I agree tradewinds but i have to ask you how you feel about the CITB j11 qual, i personaly dont see the point of recommending that canditates should be qualified or working towards it to gain the 2079, when you can just slip in the back door and do a j11. i have posted my feelings on the j11 in other threads, i think the 2079 will sort the wheat from the chaff but if you fail the 2079 then you can do the open book CITB j11, does this not make a mockery of all of us who have studied and paid attention to our teachers over the years, and are trying to keep within the law from a moral point of view not a financial one.
Kev

Kev

I'm not sure why you think J11 is differant from 2079 because they
are almost identical in the level of knowledge and ability you have to
demonstrate to pass.

The CITB require you to do a practical that if anything is more demanding
than the City & Guilds one and as for the theory exam they are both to
the same standard. The only differance is C&G is closed book on a PC
and CITB is open book paper exam. C&G only require a 60% pass mark
but CITB require 100% to pass.

If you know of a cetre that is not conducting assessments according to the
correct standards, maybe you might need to take it up with the correct
authorities.

All the best

cool runnings

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Kev The Tool
17-05-2011, 08:50 PM
an open book exam gives you the answers unless i am mistaken anyone can get 100% if you have the answers, all the guys i have spoken to who taken the j11 said it was a doddle anyone could pass. as for the practical how difficult is it to be taught how to pass a practical examination. i would be intriuged to see how many lads who have taken the j11 would pass the 2079, and why did they not do the 2079 instead.

Quality
17-05-2011, 09:10 PM
Kev

I'm not sure why you think J11 is differant from 2079 because they
are almost identical in the level of knowledge and ability you have to
demonstrate to pass.

The CITB require you to do a practical that if anything is more demanding
than the City & Guilds one and as for the theory exam they are both to
the same standard. The only differance is C&G is closed book on a PC
and CITB is open book paper exam. C&G only require a 60% pass mark
but CITB require 100% to pass.

If you know of a cetre that is not conducting assessments according to the
correct standards, maybe you might need to take it up with the correct
authorities.

All the best

cool runnings

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Could not agree more

Quality
17-05-2011, 09:11 PM
A closed book exam is a memory test

cool runings
17-05-2011, 10:49 PM
an open book exam gives you the answers unless i am mistaken anyone can get 100% if you have the answers, all the guys i have spoken to who taken the j11 said it was a doddle anyone could pass. as for the practical how difficult is it to be taught how to pass a practical examination. i would be intriuged to see how many lads who have taken the j11 would pass the 2079, and why did they not do the 2079 instead.


Kev you might know of guys who said that the J11 is easy, but I
would be more concerned about where they did the assessment.

Because the J11 is open book does not automatically make it easy.

The 17th edition electrical exam is an open book exam so it is common
in training and assessment.

C&G need you to have a reasonable knowledge about all aspects of the refrigeration industry.

CITB need you to be able to find all the information you need to work in the refrigeration industry.

C&G is a one off assessment.
CITB is to be renewed every five years so you can keep your CPD
(Continued Profesional Development) upto date.

I would be more woried about the place or places they got the award
and also they are bragging that they were given the award, yet you
had to earn your qualification.

If that was me and I knew of people bragging about cheating the system,
I would not be happy and I would be tempted to let the people who need
to know, know about this.

Just my tupence worth, but people who lessen the standard and then brag
about it cheapen the hard work I put in to get my award.

All the best

coolrunnings

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Kev The Tool
18-05-2011, 07:05 AM
i agree entirely cool runnings, it does annoy me when guys work hard to achieve and others just have to turn up and so called tutors are more concerned about pass rates than whether these people can do the job.
Just to add a bit about training facilities, when i did my 2078 years ago i was working for a reputable company and i did my training at a nationwide wholesalers, i sat with the tutor and did the questions then to my amazement he said you look like the kind of guy whos been doing this for years and you seem to know your stuff, so you dont need to do the practical. he then said that it was at his discretion who did the practical and who didn't. so i dont what happens nowadays is it just a numbers game with a lot of these training establishments.

Tony
18-05-2011, 11:52 AM
so i dont what happens nowadays is it just a numbers game with a lot of these training establishments.



Kev The Tool,

I think everybody knows who you are talking about when you did your 2078, but please do not tar all of us training centres with the same brush.

Personnally we at our training centre do try to ensure only competent engineers pass the C&G 2079.

monkey spanners
18-05-2011, 05:11 PM
an open book exam gives you the answers unless i am mistaken anyone can get 100% if you have the answers, all the guys i have spoken to who taken the j11 said it was a doddle anyone could pass. as for the practical how difficult is it to be taught how to pass a practical examination. i would be intriuged to see how many lads who have taken the j11 would pass the 2079, and why did they not do the 2079 instead.

Hi Kev,

I did the J11 and got 100% first time, though some others had to go over some questions again to get a pass mark. These things, the J11 and C&G aren't a test of the knowledge you were born with, they are to see if, after some training if neccessary (i did the three day course but there was a five day for those new to the industry), you reach the minimum standard the industry requires.

Its odd how you take a dim view of the CITB as you seem to think its too easy, i tend to think it shows i'm more commited to the industry, i'm happy to take time off to keep up with new developements and be retested every few years compared to possibly only having to sit one test your whole working life!

Jon :)

Kev The Tool
18-05-2011, 05:31 PM
tony, i was in a certain centre on a certain day, im not saying this is common practice, but i have just done a skills asessment for an australian visa and they are mega strict, there was 5 other lads there, 3 of them were service guys and to say they were sh*t is an understatement, one fault was a restricted drier 2 out of the 3 didnt get it at all, the other asked one of the other lads, the next was a incorrectly wired capacitor on an ac split none of them got it. bread and butter stuff. all 3 had done the citb test and passed so i rest my case.
kev

Quality
18-05-2011, 05:39 PM
2079 is not for life anyway. It started as 2077 then 2078 then 2079
Just similar to 2381 to 2382 ie. 16th to 17th edition.
When the 2079 came out, part of it was based on BS EN 278 2000. Which Most of us know has been replaced with BS EN 378 2008 (which is what the relevant parts of J11 are based on).
So basicaly parts of the 2079 knowledge assessment is based on a standard which no longer exists.

Que the 2080 or whatever

djbe
19-05-2011, 10:57 PM
[QUOTE=Kev The Tool;230152]i agree entirely cool runnings, it does annoy me when guys work hard to achieve and others just have to turn up and so called tutors are more concerned about pass rates than whether these people can do the job.
Just to add a bit about training facilities, when i did my 2078 years ago i was working for a reputable company and i did my training at a nationwide wholesalers, i sat with the tutor and did the questions then to my amazement he said you look like the kind of guy whos been doing this for years and you seem to know your stuff, so you dont need to do the practical. he then said that it was at his discretion who did the practical and who didn't. so i dont what happens nowadays is it just a numbers game with a lot of these training establishments.[/QUOTe

Nearly everyone I speak to did their 2078 with this tutor including me! Everytime the same story. Just think of the dough he could or should of made out of that quick turnaround.

leffe blonde
24-05-2011, 03:01 PM
passed 2079,today polar pumps.(previous one was mistake should have been 2078)

budgio
01-06-2011, 06:28 PM
Managed to pass C&G 2079 today.
Needed lots of revision after working on just ice machines for the last 12yrs.
2 day course HIGHLY recommended.
I personally found the practical side of the assesment trickier than the theory.

alan 07
04-06-2011, 01:26 AM
passed last week did two day course but could of done it in one alot easier then i expected did plenty of revision though

harte25
04-06-2011, 07:44 PM
passed c&g 2079 june 2009

Cooldave
06-06-2011, 07:24 AM
Passed J11 today ok for another five years

spamfish
10-06-2011, 10:45 AM
Passed my C&G 2079 this morning.....yippee

oldtimer
10-06-2011, 02:56 PM
upassed c&g 2009 today but some questions put in to trip you up so read the question a few times

oldtimer
10-06-2011, 02:58 PM
sorry checked today with trainer . at present new 2079 has no date limit ie when it expires just send for new one and £40 cost for update

r.bartlett
17-06-2011, 06:09 PM
We all passed today down at Bath College.

Now I need to register the company as 100% compliant..Anyone who how that works??

Kev The Tool
17-06-2011, 06:34 PM
well done Richard, i e-mailed refcom with my certificate number and they updated my satus to full member. suprisingly it was free but i had to pay £10 for 2 stickers to light my van up even more. lol

TRASH101
23-06-2011, 11:06 AM
I have eventually got round to taking the C&G 2079 and passed. My nerves have just about settled :eek:

cadwaladr
27-06-2011, 10:51 PM
passed mine last week,a little tricky i will wait and see if any wholesalers ask for it i shudder when i meet other engineers? in the spares shop .it was very informative the coarse now to pass on to my clients the legal side of it,by the way you can still buy 134a from halfords i will check on the 5th of july if they still do and will ask them do i need any training /qualifications to put it in my friends car a/c system,

taz24
28-06-2011, 09:04 AM
passed mine last week,a little tricky i will wait and see if any wholesalers ask for it i shudder when i meet other engineers? in the spares shop .it was very informative the coarse now to pass on to my clients the legal side of it,by the way you can still buy 134a from halfords i will check on the 5th of july if they still do and will ask them do i need any training /qualifications to put it in my friends car a/c system,



On the course they should have told you about car AC/

Car AC is not yet covered by Fgas and as for Halfords selling 134a, The letter
of the law stated that they could sell off existing stock. The trouble is they gave companies
about 6 years notice to stock pile reserves of the stuff. :)

taz

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cadwaladr
28-06-2011, 12:21 PM
so anyone can mess with car a/c?

taz24
28-06-2011, 04:56 PM
so anyone can mess with car a/c?

Thats the grey area.

No in short.

For you or any one else to work on any form of fridge circuit, a qualification
is required and the minimum is the C&G 2079 or CITB J11.

Fgas does not effect you!!!! You still need to be qualified to a minimum standard
to prove your competant, but Fgas does effect the customer. Fgas now makes
the customer responsible, legaly for all fridge and AC on his premisses.
But only if there is a charge of more than 3Kg's inside it.

You still need the qualification to work on the fridge, AC or car, but not because of
Fgas. You need qualifications because they have refrigerants inside. The level of qual
depends on the weight of refrigeration. You could be Cat 2 and only legaly work on systems
less than 3Kg.

All the best

taz

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Tony
28-06-2011, 06:14 PM
For you or any one else to work on any form of fridge circuit, a qualification
is required and the minimum is the C&G 2079 or CITB J11.

Fgas does not effect you!!!! You still need to be qualified to a minimum standard
to prove your competant, but Fgas does effect the customer. Fgas now makes
the customer responsible, legaly for all fridge and AC on his premisses.
But only if there is a charge of more than 3Kg's inside it.

You still need the qualification to work on the fridge, AC or car, but not because of
Fgas. You need qualifications because they have refrigerants inside. The level of qual
depends on the weight of refrigeration. You could be Cat 2 and only legaly work on systems
less than 3Kg.

Taz,

Sorry, but I beg to differ - C&G 2079 is not required to work on vehicles. C&G 2079 is only needed to work on STATIC fridge systems.

There are lower standard qualifications which satisfy the European Government - one of which is C&G 5101 Unit 1.

There are others.

taz24
29-06-2011, 05:31 PM
Taz,

Sorry, but I beg to differ - C&G 2079 is not required to work on vehicles. C&G 2079 is only needed to work on STATIC fridge systems.

There are lower standard qualifications which satisfy the European Government - one of which is C&G 5101 Unit 1.

There are others.


Well there you go....... You learn every day..

I knew of the 5101 but did not realise that that was enough to work alone...

So sorry for any confusion and thanks for the heads up.. :)

All the best

taz

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Tony
29-06-2011, 10:10 PM
That's OK - no offence.

Just trying to inform.

Moris
21-07-2011, 08:37 PM
Moris passed 2079

The fridge king
21-07-2011, 10:04 PM
Yup Passed Dec 2009 !

sparkiedoo
02-08-2011, 10:21 PM
passed c&g 2079......91% / 100

it makes you think a little harder.......................lol

sparkatan
02-08-2011, 11:39 PM
I am taking the 2079-101 exam later this month and as i consider myself pretty experienced i thought i would have a bash at taking the exam only, however, there are some elements of the Test Specifications that i am not too familiar with such as the newer regulations / environmental stuff.
Is there a publication which covers all of the items in the exam or is it exclusively Test Centre material?

Just thought I could do with some 'light reading' material for my hols

sparkatan
29-08-2011, 06:49 PM
Took it last week without doing the course. (nearly 40 years experience though). Passed, along with a slaughterman, a dough kneader, a bloke who makes things from wax, and seven eastern european, car washers. The dough kneader couldn't get out of the building because he didn't know which way to turn the doorknob. The eastern europeans have been promised the contract for the refrigeration and a/c service for a national petrol station / supermarket chain. The slaughterman was relieved to be able to change trades as qualifications for his job have become pretty tough. The wax modeller was indifferent and said that it was a choice between C&G 2079 or starting a cannabis farm. He chose 2079 because it may lead on to him being able to heat his attic more efficiently.

I'm just happy I passed and can now look forward to the increased competition, safe in the knowledge that I'll have to reduce my prices by about 80%.

wilt
04-09-2011, 10:17 PM
passed C&G 2079 Cat 17300

chillerman2006
04-09-2011, 10:23 PM
I failed mine 4 times because I could not flare a bit of pipe :rolleyes:

install monkey
04-09-2011, 10:30 PM
I failed mine 4 times because I could not flare a bit of pipe :rolleyes:

there is a you tube video demonstrating this,im gonna do 2 flares tomorrow-blindfolded-extreme or what-i will inform u of the outcome!!!

chillerman2006
04-09-2011, 10:37 PM
there is a you tube video demonstrating this,im gonna do 2 flares tomorrow-blindfolded-extreme or what-i will inform u of the outcome!!!

All right show off ... I bet your one of these over skilled dudes with a 2079

Can you do an un-blindfolded video & post it ? I really need to learn this then I may be able to work un supervised

thanks bud

install monkey
04-09-2011, 10:42 PM
i will only if u promise to update the thread and prove basic knowledge in copper pipe fundamentals
All right show off ... I bet your one of these over skilled dudes with a 2079

Can you do an un-blindfolded video & post it ? I really need to learn this then I may be able to work un supervised

thanks bud

Turbo2212
05-09-2011, 02:31 PM
I failed mine 4 times because I could not flare a bit of pipe :rolleyes:

Are you being serious Chillerman? I am hoping to start doing refrigeration again and am looking at booking a course? I heard it was a breeze.

taz24
06-09-2011, 08:35 AM
Are you being serious Chillerman? I am hoping to start doing refrigeration again and am looking at booking a course? I heard it was a breeze.

I think you will find the chillerman has a sense of humour :)

But if you are returning and think the qual is a breeze, think again and do some proper research and revision.

People are failing this exam and some are so called experienced and qualified.

You might be very good and know all the required information, which if true is good. But
if you walk in thinking it is a breeze you may be in for a rude shock.

All the best

taz

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chillerman2006
06-09-2011, 12:34 PM
Are you being serious Chillerman? I am hoping to start doing refrigeration again and am looking at booking a course? I heard it was a breeze.


I think you will find the chillerman has a sense of humour :)

But if you are returning and think the qual is a breeze, think again and do some proper research and revision.

People are failing this exam and some are so called experienced and qualified.

You might be very good and know all the required information, which if true is good. But
if you walk in thinking it is a breeze you may be in for a rude shock.

All the best

taz

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Thanks Taz, for setting him straight :D

Turbo as Taz has also said this is not a breeze, you will need to understand fundamentals & carry out practical to include charging/decanting/pressure/strength testing, brazing, refrigerant logs & new legistlation's .... it's a bit more than the old 2078 & there have been many that have needed to return + retake the test/course

If you need a full breakdown of what you need to know/do am sure between us we could give you a more accurate breakdown

R's chillerman

buddy
06-10-2011, 03:44 AM
June 1982, 2 distinctions.

....seems like another life its so long ago.

cool runings
08-10-2011, 11:34 PM
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June 1982, 2 distinctions.

....seems like another life its so long ago.

I fail to see your point.

I too have from 1982 2 Distinctions and a credit and in 1990ish a 2077, 1994ish a 2078 and 2009
a 2079................

Are you saying that a qualification in 1982 is all you need to prove
you are still current and upto date with new laws and standards????

cool runnings

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buddy
09-10-2011, 06:35 AM
`

I fail to see your point.

I too have from 1982 2 Distinctions and a credit and in 1990ish a 2077, 1994ish a 2078 and 2009
a 2079................

Are you saying that a qualification in 1982 is all you need to prove
you are still current and upto date with new laws and standards????

cool runnings

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Hi cool runnings,

Absolutely not,
I too have many other qualifications and training coarse's to my name.

The question was about 2079 which I stated.

In the refrigeration field if you don't adapt and keep up with new laws and technologies you sink.

best regards

install monkey
11-03-2012, 08:44 PM
ash grant of belfrygroup has passed his 2079 theory and practical not bad for a 2nd yr apprentice

Brian_UK
12-03-2012, 12:25 AM
Congrats....

stufus
12-03-2012, 05:21 PM
ash grant of belfrygroup has passed his 2079 theory and practical not bad for a 2nd yr apprentice
Ah the proud daddy monkey...
You've gotta keep turning the screws or he'll sit back and relax thinking it all gravy...
Cheers
Stu

Quality
12-03-2012, 09:15 PM
Taz,

Sorry, but I beg to differ - C&G 2079 is not required to work on vehicles. C&G 2079 is only needed to work on STATIC fridge systems.

There are lower standard qualifications which satisfy the European Government - one of which is C&G 5101 Unit 1.

There are others.
How is the lower qualification I.e. 5101 or now 7543 a lower qualification when it's level 3 and 2079 is only level 2

chilliwilly
25-04-2012, 06:54 PM
Passed mine today, I have to say though I thought the 2078 and the old CITB was harder. Apparrantly there is a new pipe work and brazing qualification in the pipeline that will be out in the next 12 months. Whether or not I'll be doing that remains to be seen. I only did the 2079 because I am getting interest from clientel with more than 6kg in their systems who are enquiring about leak testing and energy efficiency. So I thought I would have a better chance of getting the work if I had a credential and refcom membership. Otherwise I would have carried on without it!

RSTC
29-05-2012, 08:38 PM
I'm a little embarrassed to say I only sat it today, finally.

stufus
29-05-2012, 08:45 PM
At least you didn't have far to travel;)

I'm a little embarrassed to say I only sat it today, finally.
Cheers
Stu

install monkey
29-05-2012, 08:49 PM
did he fail it??:D

RSTC
30-05-2012, 09:12 AM
Having not held a brazing torch in anger in a couple of decades, it was a close call. Needed lots of practice.

Greed4Speed
01-11-2012, 10:48 AM
I passed mine in June 2012, was pretty easy as I remember.

nevgee
15-11-2012, 08:32 PM
Now is the time you all started to go for the un vented hot water qualification....... then you can start stamping on the wet trades patch. They've been jumping onto the f gas qualification so they can work on Heat pumps and they see heat pumps as not just boiler replacement but also split systems and a whole new territory for heating work! Beware the Plumbers are coming....:rolleyes:

stufus
15-11-2012, 11:42 PM
Now is the time you all started to go for the un vented hot water qualification....... then you can start stamping on the wet trades patch. They've been jumping onto the f gas qualification so they can work on Heat pumps and they see heat pumps as not just boiler replacement but also split systems and a whole new territory for heating work! Beware the Plumbers are coming....:rolleyes:

The plumbers can keep coming ,because the more them gimps fook, up the more money I make sorting out their c0ck ups.
Long live the turd herders
Cheers
Stu

Tony
19-11-2012, 07:29 PM
How is the lower qualification I.e. 5101 or now 7543 a lower qualification when it's level 3 and 2079 is only level 2

C&G 5101 or 7543 is only a level 3 if you do all three units.

Unit 1 is only part of the qualification!