Thermo King Slx

[SKOOBY]

Has anyone come across the new SLX. Is it as good
as it looks.From what i have seen it looks like a cross
between a SBIII and SL.
Will it Spank the Vector

[Big John]

Its the Daddy, It will give the Vectra a run fir its money.

[Rosco]

Im sure i heard from my foreman that the SLX is good, but its an absolute ******* to change the main drive belt. I think thats what he sais lol.

[absolute-zero]

Im sure i heard from my foreman that the SLX is good, but its an absolute ******* to change the main drive belt. I think thats what he sais lol.

Shouldnt have to change the belt yet, the unit is brand new. But it does look like it might be a bit more considering a serp belt turning two condensor fan squirrel cages.

Truck or automotive technicians change serpentine belts in tigher areas than this all the time.

how bad can it be?:D

[Rosco]

I know it is not necessary to change the belts already. Im just saying that my foreman was over in brussels at our TK training centre and found that the belt was really hard to change :). And for him to say that it must be really difficult because he is a really good engineer.

[absolute-zero]

I know it is not necessary to change the belts already. Im just saying that my foreman was over in brussels at our TK training centre and found that the belt was really hard to change :). And for him to say that it must be really difficult because he is a really good engineer.

The first one, the first time is always the toughest learning curve, by the third time you change one, it will be like another day at the office. :cool:

I replaced a fanshaft assy in a Spectrum DE last night, Now that is a bit of work to do. Not very difficult just time consuming and working off a ladder in tight spaces most of the time.

[kelvin278]

skooby why don't you ask ROSCO ABOUT THE SLX or even ask your foreman you all work in the same workshop?????

[nova]

Has anyone come across the new SLX. Is it as good
as it looks.From what i have seen it looks like a cross
between a SBIII and SL.
Will it Spank the Vector

We've had SLX for over an year. I can tell you it's fantastic unit with no problems at all. Sure looking good.. :)

[abbsnowman]

The first one, the first time is always the toughest learning curve, by the third time you change one, it will be like another day at the office. :cool:

I replaced a fanshaft assy in a Spectrum DE last night, Now that is a bit of work to do. Not very difficult just time consuming and working off a ladder in tight spaces most of the time.
Whats an XLS???
You know your way around a ladder "Abs";)

[absolute-zero]

Whats an XLS???
You know your way around a ladder "Abs";)

Abbs,

The SLX is similiar to the North American SB 110-310.trailer nose mounts.

The SLX 100-400 will have SR2 controller, along with two condensor squirrel cages driven by serpentine style belt for optimal subcooling in high ambient locations. I doubt very highly that you will ever service one here in NA.

Maybe TK will introduce a SBX for the warmer hotter ambient locations in North America, like southern United States, Mexico, Est.

A-Z

[DaButcher]

Whats an XLS???


http://inlinethumb08.webshots.com/34375/2419163080100152096S600x600Q85.jpg

[absolute-zero]

http://inlinethumb08.webshots.com/34375/2419163080100152096S600x600Q85.jpg

Thats a gorgouse looking unit

Does she have any sisters??????

[snow]

Now I know what your talking about I have worked on a few SB-110

[DaButcher]

Thats a gorgouse looking unit

Does she have any sisters??????

http://inlinethumb46.webshots.com/41517/2165441680100152096S600x600Q85.jpg

[absolute-zero]

http://inlinethumb46.webshots.com/41517/2165441680100152096S600x600Q85.jpg

NICE:D I wonder if the she would mind me hooking up a set of digital manifold gauges to her?:cool:

[abbsnowman]

NICE:D I wonder if the she would mind me hooking up a set of digital manifold gauges to her?:cool:
Dude, you should seek help;)

[absolute-zero]

Dude, you should seek help;)

Ha ha ha, I have been in need of help for a long time.:D

[jaguar]

The main drive belt takes about 10 minutes to change on the SLX. This has been done on a field trial unit in our workshop.

[absolute-zero]

The main drive belt takes about 10 minutes to change on the SLX. This has been done on a field trial unit in our workshop.

Thats not so bad,,:cool:

[SKOOBY]

Did you have a tea break to

[SKOOBY]

:DThe more you see of these UNITS you have to
admit they are the mutts nuts

[DaButcher]

Thats a gorgouse looking unit

Does she have any sisters??????



http://inlinethumb10.webshots.com/40585/2210296550100152096S600x600Q85.jpg

[abbsnowman]

http://inlinethumb10.webshots.com/40585/2210296550100152096S600x600Q85.jpg
Your killing me! That is absolutley hilarious!!!!! ABZ is probably going to be un-available for 20 mins or so. LOL
Best ever;)

[absolute-zero]

http://inlinethumb10.webshots.com/40585/2210296550100152096S600x600Q85.jpg

LMAO, ha ha ha ha, good one D-B. You got to much time on your hands dude, And abbs thinks i need some serious help..;)

[absolute-zero]

http://inlinethumb10.webshots.com/40585/2210296550100152096S600x600Q85.jpg

This could be a new marketing tool..:D

[Fireblade02]

We've had SLX for over an year. I can tell you it's fantastic unit with no problems at all. Sure looking good.. :)
no problems?:D that looks so far.:D Did you had multitemp too?

[abbsnowman]

whoh lets not go overboard here! I don't think Abz can handle that. He is virating already!

[nova]

no problems?:D that looks so far.:D Did you had multitemp too?

Yeah, no problams at all, believe it or not. Looks too good to be true, I know. Customer has been pleased with the sound level and also the cooling capacity compared to the Vector that was replaced by the SLX in his drawbar trailer. The unit is SLX-200 ETV. :)

[absolute-zero]

Yeah, no problams at all, believe it or not. Looks too good to be true, I know. Customer has been pleased with the sound level and also the cooling capacity compared to the Vector that was replaced by the SLX in his drawbar trailer. The unit is SLX-200 ETV. :)

I think we should see a similiar design in the SB series in NA with in the next couple years. It seems the ESA always gets to try out the new stuff for R&D. I look forward to the design and features coming here.:)

[Fireblade02]

Yeah, no problams at all, believe it or not. Looks too good to be true, I know. Customer has been pleased with the sound level and also the cooling capacity compared to the Vector that was replaced by the SLX in his drawbar trailer. The unit is SLX-200 ETV. :)

it would be a real pleasure if it works like you told. We'll see! How long is your experience with the new?

[nova]

it would be a real pleasure if it works like you told. We'll see! How long is your experience with the new?

unit was installed 09/2006 and is still running as a test unit.

regards
-nova

[Eoin]

If anyone wants an SLX brochure, send me a private message with your email address and I will mail one to you. I can't attach it here

[absolute-zero]

If anyone wants an SLX brochure, send me a private message with your email address and I will mail one to you. I can't attach it here

Thanks I already have one.:)

[willis123]

Just seen the SLX for real at the Commercial Vehicle show in the UK. Reckon the Vector has nothing to fear - old technology repackaged in new clothes.

[SKOOBY]

:D:eek:You mean reliable technology me thinks

[Big John]

Just seen the SLX for real at the Commercial Vehicle show in the UK. Reckon the Vector has nothing to fear - old technology repackaged in new clothes.
Yanmar greentec, SR2 controller, poly v belt drive on self adjusters,redesigned comp. oil pump, Tracking etc,etc,etc. "old technogy" ???

[thermo prince]

Hi again all,

Good to make new friends and renew old connections during the recent Prague gatherings! ;)
Especially glad to meet (one of) the original " founding RE fathers" ,,, you know who you are!
What's that saying about old soldiers ...... it is great to see such passion and dedication across the globe towards the product!

Related weblink, may be useful and interesting site to learn more on this new machine.

http://www.slx.thermoking.com/index.html

To the naysayers, only time and the V.O.C will tell market preference, as always.

VOC ( Voice of Customer) reflects and really is the marketplace.

May the best man ( and unit!) win!

regards
T-P

[willis123]

Yanmar greentec, SR2 controller, poly v belt drive on self adjusters,redesigned comp. oil pump, Tracking etc,etc,etc. "old technogy" ???
Exactly - belts, pulleys, clutch, shaft seals, damper doors and vibrasorbers. Keeps us all in work but nothing revolutionary!

It also appears there's no MT version on the horizon so the Spectrum is here to stay for a little longer.

[SKOOBY]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Reeferjon]

Nice link TP....:o

[jaguar]

Multi Temp SLX will be launched at the end of this year. There are already a couple of units running in the UK as field trials.

[willis123]

Multi Temp SLX will be launched at the end of this year. There are already a couple of units running in the UK as field trials.
Thanks for the update - do you think MT will just be on the SLX 400 or across all 3 models?

[jaguar]

SLX MT will be based on SLX400 platform and will not be offered on SLX100/200

[Dylan1]

Come on Slx 200 etv or Vector 1850 that's a big differents.
Vector 1850 has much more power.

[jaguar]

The Vector may have more capacity than SLX200 ETV but airflow and air velocity in a loaded trailer are significantly better with the TK. In pull down tests from 20 c to -20 c the TK actually reached set point 5 minutes quicker than the Carrier Vector.

[abbsnowman]

Carrier has always had good capacity.
What about fuel consumpsion Thermo prince? Here is your chance to teach me something as we have no SLX here. (I can't voice my opinion on this one).
I would welcome some deep info on these machines. Can I get a Spec sheet and wiring diagram?
I do think they look great! Are they quiet? TK has done a great job of that over here.
Thanks guys!

[willis123]

SLX 400 Road Capacity @ 0 = 17,470 W
Vector 1850 = 18,075 W

SLX 400 Road Capacity @ -20 = 9,155 W
Vector 1850 = 9,580 W

SLX 400 Sby Capacity @ 0 = 12,400 W
Vector 1850 = 14,960 W

SLX 400 Sby Capacity @ -20 = 6,915 W
Vector 1850 = 9,010 W

SLX 400 Airflow = 5,500 m3/h
Vector 1850 = 5,600 m3/h

[abbsnowman]

Looks like they are close. I read here that they use a serp belt? I figured they would go to that eventualy.
The Vector has only 1 belt. The waterpump.
Anybody have a picture of were the belts and such are? That website doesn't real show much.
Thanks for the info guys. I am sure we will get those over here in a couple of years.:)

[clivemtk]

are these test figures or sales figures

[abbsnowman]

are these test figures or sales figures
Thats the thing, unless you do it yourself, how can ya prove it. They are close enough though that I would accept them wouldn't you?

[TDI]

here we go:

[TDI]

damn i need more posts

[TDI]

for pasting outside urls

[willis123]

are these test figures or sales figures
They are the published ATP figures.

[willis123]

I guess ATP has its limitations but it gives an indication.

[TDI]

ok this is my 15th post and after that i can post the pic

[TDI]

http://mitglied.lycos.de/tdi69/slx%20inside.jpg

http://mitglied.lycos.de/tdi69/TK60200-2-PLSLX-112007-EN.pdf

[TDI]

literature in german:

http://www.thermoking.de/downloads/SLX.pdf

http://mitglied.lycos.de/tdi69/slx%20inside.jpg

[abbsnowman]

Those belts look way to complicated. No wonder they fall off.

[nova]

SLX 400 Airflow = 5,500 m3/h
Vector 1850 = 5,600 m3/h

I'd add some load inside the cargo area:
SLX 400 Airflow @ 210 kPa 5.100 m3/h
Vector 1800 Airflow @ 120 kPa 4.000 m3/h (@ 180 kPa 2.400 m3/h).

Pretty good reason to use belt driven blower system.


-nova

[SteinarN]

I'd add some load inside the cargo area:
SLX 400 Airflow @ 210 kPa 5.100 m3/h
Vector 1800 Airflow @ 120 kPa 4.000 m3/h (@ 180 kPa 2.400 m3/h).

Pretty good reason to use belt driven blower system.


-nova

Are you sure about those numbers?
Vector as well as SL and SLX(?) has backwards curved sentrifugal fans. Such fans has a steep flow rate curve, that is a small decrease in air flow leads to a large increase in the static pressure, or in other words, a noticeable increase in the static pressure leads to a small decrease in the air flow. Such reduction in air flow as stated in your numbers would be likely on forward curved fans, but certainly not on backwards curved fans. I will argue those numbers can't possibly be correct.

[nova]

Are you sure about those numbers?
Vector as well as SL and SLX(?) has backwards curved sentrifugal fans. Such fans has a steep flow rate curve, that is a small decrease in air flow leads to a large increase in the static pressure, or in other words, a noticeable increase in the static pressure leads to a small decrease in the air flow. Such reduction in air flow as stated in your numbers would be likely on forward curved fans, but certainly not on backwards curved fans. I will argue those numbers can't possibly be correct.

It's not a matter of backwards or whatever curved fans, but more the power supply for the fans. Compare the belt driven (mechanical) to electrical system fan and measure the effect of the back pressure in a real life. There's the difference.

regards
-nova

[nova]

Those belts look way to complicated. No wonder they fall off.

Please tell your problems with the SLX belt system. We haven't had any in Finland...

regards
-nova

[SteinarN]

It's not a matter of backwards or whatever curved fans, but more the power supply for the fans. Compare the belt driven (mechanical) to electrical system fan and measure the effect of the back pressure in a real life. There's the difference.

regards
-nova

Neither Tk nor Vector fans run slower when the back pressure increases. An electrical driven fan follows the rpm of the diesel engine to the same degree as a mecanical driven fan. It has all to do with the design of the fan and not with the motor.

Do you suggest the electric driven Vector fan slows down in speed as the back pressure increases?

[nova]

Neither Tk nor Vector fans run slower when the back pressure increases. An electrical driven fan follows the rpm of the diesel engine to the same degree as a mecanical driven fan. It has all to do with the design of the fan and not with the motor.

Do you suggest the electric driven Vector fan slows down in speed as the back pressure increases?

Think of it; Diesel engine mechanical force is transformed to electrical (generates heat = out of the power to run the fan), electrical force is then transformed to mechanical; fan rotation (again heat is generated). All diesel engine force transformed to heat is lost out of the rotation force of the fan. Try to slow down an electrical fan with your hand and you see it'll warm up and slow down. Try the same with the mechanical fan. Mechanical driven fans follows the engine rpm, electrical fans not.

regards
-nova

[SteinarN]

Think of it; Diesel engine mechanical force is transformed to electrical (generates heat = out of the power to run the fan), electrical force is then transformed to mechanical; fan rotation (again heat is generated). All diesel engine force transformed to heat is lost out of the rotation force of the fan. Try to slow down an electrical fan with your hand and you see it'll warm up and slow down. Try the same with the mechanical fan. Mechanical driven fans follows the engine rpm, electrical fans not.

regards
-nova

By restricting the air flow you can only add so much load to the motor. The electric motor of the Vector evaporator fan is selected to be powerfull enough to maintain the fan speed at any back pressure. As all people with electric know-how knows, a 3-phase motor doesnt slow down more than a couple % when the load goes from 0% to 100% of the rated motor power. The load at zero back pressure is more than 50%. As this load eventually increase to say 100% the rpm only decrease by 1 or 2%.

It is correct that a percentage of the motor power turns to heat. Each motor has a rated power of roughly 480W. Say 15% of this is heat. That would be roughly 150W for both motors. On the other hand, how much heat is conducted through the fan shaft into the evaporator on a SL? I'm pretty sure this is at least 150W. I ask you again, how much do you suggest the fan speed drops as the back pressure goes from say zero to 200 Pa?

The back pressure you stated in a post above was, say, 200kPa. 200kPa equals 2 bar! I suppose you ment 200 Pa?

[willis123]

I agree.

Also from a customer's point of view, the fact of the matter is the Vector is more powerful in published data (rather than propaganda or informal benchmarking). It's now in its 6th release as the Vector 1850 with progressively improved technology. From a simplistic point of view they want the most efficient, reliable unit with the best refrigerant containment and lowest whole life costs. I really don't think anything else in the product range from TK or Carrier comes close to Vector in this respect - even more so when you look at MT.

[TDI]

hehe
funny discussion

maybe i´ll cut some pics and paste them here

[Will]

Squirrel type or blade type fans ?, major differences between the 2.

With blade type fans, a increase in restriction means a increase in amp draw.

Squirrel type is just the opposite.

[SteinarN]

hehe
funny discussion

maybe i´ll cut some pics and paste them here

Yes, do it!

[SteinarN]

Squirrel type or blade type fans ?, major differences between the 2.

With blade type fans, a increase in restriction means a increase in amp draw.

Squirrel type is just the opposite.

I'm not familiar with the squirrel designation.

As I know it we have mainly to types of sentrifugal fans, forward curved and backward curved. Vector evaporator and SL condenser fans is backwards curved fans. Those fans consumes more power as the back pressure increases.

The oposite, forward curved fans consume more power as the back pressure decreases.

The second main type is axial flow fans (blade fans?) like condenser fan on TK TS units and CTC Supra. I'm not sure of those fans caracteristics.

[Will]

Blade type;
http://www.innerauto.com/images/partImages/fan_blade1.jpg


Squirrel type;
http://www.fairindustries.com/images/1715.jpg


Which do you refer to as a "sentrifugal" ?

[Will]

Squirrel.

http://www.applianceblog.com/archives/BlowerWheel687613.jpg

[SteinarN]

No. 2 is centrifugal or radial. That particular fan has forward curved fins. No. 1 is axial.

[nike123]

B



Which do you refer to as a "sentrifugal" ?

What you call squirrel here, is centrifugal fan!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_fan
http://www.greenheck.com/pdf/fans/FanFundamentalsMay2005.pdf

[absolute-zero]

What you call squirrel here, is centrifugal fan!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_fan

Interesting, I never knew a squirrel cage fan was also called a centrifugal fan. Seem as if I Learn something new everyday. thanks nike123A-Z

[Will]

Aw, OK, gotcha.

But I still stand by my first statement, centrifugal/squirrel type, be they forward, straight or backward curved blades will decrease in load as flow restriction goes up.

[SteinarN]

I had trouble loading this page when I made my last post. I didnt see the fan No. 3. My last post was about the first two fans.

It is however a significant difference in caracteristics on different centrifugal fans. It is correct that forward curved fans decrease significantly in power as the restriction goes up. But this is not aplicable on backwards curved centrifugal fans. Such fans may increase slightly, stay unchanged or decrease slightly in load as the restriction increases.

[nike123]

Aw, OK, gotcha.

But I still stand by my first statement, centrifugal/squirrel type, be they forward, straight or backward curved blades will decrease in load as flow restriction goes up.


What you mean when saying load?
If you mean at static pressure, then, in general, when static pressure is low, the power consumption of centrifugal fan is higher, then when the static pressure is higher.

But, that is not necessary always the case.;)
Look at these diagrams:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3096/2481836563_b0d8193e0c_b_d.jpg

These are backward curved centrifugal fans.

[nike123]

Interesting, I never knew a squirrel cage fan was also called a centrifugal fan. Seem as if I Learn something new everyday.

Me to also! Today I learned that if you drink enough (to much) of "subcooled" beers, you end up with laryngitis.:D:D

[Will]

What you mean when saying Let me rephrase while using an example;

If we were to take a blower/motor setup like you posted and blocked ether the intake or discharge by half or so, you would see a decrease in amp draw.

[nike123]

Let me rephrase while using an example;

If we were to take a blower/motor setup like you posted and blocked ether the intake or discharge by half or so, you would see a decrease in amp draw.

Ok, that mean static pressure increase.
As I said, that is not necessary always the case.
Check diagrams.

[Will]

Look at these diagrams and note change on KVK500 model

As I said, that is not necessary always the case.
Check diagrams.
OK, I'm going to need a little help here cause I don't see what your talking about in the "diagrams".
Even took a second look with my reading glasses, still nothing.

[nike123]

OK, I'm going to need a little help here cause I don't see what your talking about in the "diagrams".
Even took a second look with my reading glasses, still nothing.


Sorry for my fault.:o
I wrongly read diagram at second picture because of inverted power consumption scale on third fan.:confused:
I changed that to other one, who clearly shows what I talk about. Please look again!:cool:

[abbsnowman]

It's not a matter of backwards or whatever curved fans, but more the power supply for the fans. Compare the belt driven (mechanical) to electrical system fan and measure the effect of the back pressure in a real life. There's the difference.

regards
-nova
Huh? What your saying makes no sense???
I'm with Steinar on this one

[abbsnowman]

Please tell your problems with the SLX belt system. We haven't had any in Finland...

regards
-nova
First of all, to be fair, I have no knowlage at all of these machines as we have none here. I was reading on another site were they were having issues with belts coming off.

[abbsnowman]

You guys are out of my league on this one.
Thank you for the knowlage on this!
Steinar, your one smart dude!

[SteinarN]

To clarify myself, I'm not arguing on what the exact airflow is on different units with different back pressures, but I'm saying it's the design of the fan, and not whether it is mecanically or electric driven, which determines the air flow at different back pressures.

[absolute-zero]

Yanmar greentec, SR2 controller, poly v belt drive on self adjusters,redesigned comp. oil pump, Tracking etc,etc,etc. "old technogy" ???

You forgot to mention lower engine RPMs, which results in lower fuel consumtion, and the two condensor squirrel cages for optimal sub-cooling, which helps increase cooling capacity.
I think the fuel savings alone will be the big selling feature of this unit, considering the steady hiking cost of hydrocarbon fossil fuels. Everyone will be waqnting the unit that can save them money in these regards.

[CTMarco]

Having read through this lot what can I say..... at least the SLX will keep in the TK engineers in a job ha ha ;-). Here it from the experts Vector technlogy is king, always has been and always will be. I'm from CT Engineering worked on Vector from 1995 when it all started before the launch in 99 and lets say they'll be more to come from this baby.

Happy belt changing boys lol

[abbsnowman]

Having read through this lot what can I say..... at least the SLX will keep in the TK engineers in a job ha ha ;-). Here it from the experts Vector technlogy is king, always has been and always will be. I'm from CT Engineering worked on Vector from 1995 when it all started before the launch in 99 and lets say they'll be more to come from this baby.

Happy belt changing boys lol

Heee heeee, enjoy your response to that one!:o

[george106]

Hi there
I think that the biggest problem for thermo king SL units is the yanmar engine failure.
I saw SL units with 5000 hours with broken engine crankshafts. This is the major reason for many companies here to buy Vector units. I don’t see any changes to the engine of the Slx but only at the compressor oil pump that is not necessary. Most units with broken compressor oil pumps have wear to the main bearings of the engine near the flywheel and that is the reason for the broken compressor oil pump.
I think that thermo king is trying to build a unit with lower speed rpm (to prevent engine failure) without to lose from cooling capacity and they build the SLX. Did they achieve that? We’ll see.

[clivemtk]

where and when

[SKOOBY]

The main reason for oil pump failure is because the front compressor main bearing wears in the casing.Causing
lift in the shaft. I think the body on the SLX looks completely different

[george106]

Thermo King is failed.
2 broken engines here already.
Carrier can relax now and enjoy the suicide of thermo king.
The winner again is VECTOR by far.
For all of us the winner is SLX.
Thank you Thermo King for keep our future full of work with your units.

[abbsnowman]

Wow, there goes your Christmas card from the TK posters here!
Be interesting to see if they get after you like they get after me?

[SKOOBY]

:p:oEarly days yet.When a Vector goes
bang you need a big wallet.
We need some fresh blood Bring on Mitsibushi

[MRW]

can not help myself ,but have to put my bit in about the SLX,
got 10 slx200 on the road,cools really well,have had no problems with them,and they give the vector1800
a run for the money when it comes to pulldown(empty box),removed and refitted fan belts as an training exercise,no problems,havent tried compressor belt!!!!

[pipemaster]

Early days yet.
Worked on one the other day looked good and worked well.

[CTMarco]

Did anyone find the sister of this good looking unit? :o and does it have as many belts .... :confused: ha ha.

Hold on to your hats you might be able to compare like-for-like soon!.

[utc/tk foreman]

I have played with many Vector's, both multi temps and single temp. And I have to say, it is probably the only carrier product that has truly impressed me with its capabilities other than the supra 950's. I worked for TK for many years and consider myself a TK fan, but I dont think they have much of a chance of showing up the new Vectors. They just have too much of the container line reliability built into them and with only 1 belt that you only replace, never adjust how can you go wrong.

[whammo57]

Its the Daddy, It will give the Vectra a run fir its money.
there is no comparison to a Vector, the Vector has no belts, no fanshaft, no vibrasorbers, no solenoid valves, no gearbox........ it has only a engine direct drive generator and all fans and the compressor are 3 phase ac driven.

[utc/tk foreman]

there is no comparison to a Vector, the Vector has no belts, no fanshaft, no vibrasorbers, no solenoid valves, no gearbox........ it has only a engine direct drive generator and all fans and the compressor are 3 phase ac driven.

exactly, all of the typical carrier issues have been eliminated. It's the closest thing to perfection that carrier has come up with. The only issues I've seen with them have been minor software and configuration problems, that would happen with any new unit in a new environment.

[karpovstas]

I some times faced this installation and I can tell that it on me has not made the big impression in respect of service to me more close ТК, yes on Vector there are pluses but there is also a big minus if the generator that installation has failed not to reanimate any more and a unique way it to recover it to drag in service in difference from ТК which at the big desire it is possible to repair "in field conditions"