Tescos

[bernard]

Hi

Whats happening with the Tesco contract ???? all is very quiet

Regards Bernard

[taz24]

Hi

Whats happening with the Tesco contract ???? all is very quiet

Regards Bernard


Lull before the storm?:D

taz.

[bernard]

Hi

A little storm or a big storm??

Regards Bernard

[chillled]

We were told we'd know by last friday,then today but still nothing. Space boys are bricking it!

[Latte]

Heard a rumour today that space have got it and actively recruiting in East Anglia. How i heard, i couldnt possible comment ;)

Regards

Fatboy

[eurocooling]

We were told we'd know by last friday,then today but still nothing. Space boys are bricking it!


Bring back NRC who helped Space in the first place

[fowlie]

heard the contract is to change on the 1 april,not much time also heard that the contractor that got the work had to do all the case cleaning.

[chillin out]

heard the contract is to change on the 1 april,not much time also heard that the contractor that got the work had to do all the case cleaning.
This is true.

The contractor will also service ALL Tesco sites (even the metros) and this will include changing the evap motors and defrosting them if iced up.

Chillin:):)

[coolhibby1875]

i keep hearing space have it and as far as im concerend they are welcome to it i dont fancy carrying out case cleans every morning in there stores.i wish they would hurry up and get it sorted though as its dragging its heels a bit

[pcbfix]

Ah ha, I knew lurking about these forums would pay off one day!. Anyone know what types of controllers are found in Tesco's, do they have a favourite or is it a mixture of Tuscans at one site, CDK's, RDM's and Microm's etc at other sites?.

Any info welcome

Cheers

pcbfix

[chillled]

Older sites are generally mix of microm, woodley, elm but newer ones (less than 5 years old) are generally Danfoss akc and ekc.

[Latte]

Whats the matter with case cleans, it easy/guarenteed overtime in the winter :confused:

Regards

Fatboy

[chillin out]

Whats the matter with case cleans, it easy/guarenteed overtime in the winter :confused:

Regards

Fatboy
Not if they demand it twice a year. Once in winter and then in summer.

Chillin:):)

[bernard]

It depends on many factor

Who your working with.
How far you travel
To which standard they expect them done
Whether they are empty at least 30 mins on arrival.
Whether its a fixed payment or overtime rate.
How many faulty probes and fans you change



We are payed a fixed payment,my last case clean was 8.5 hours long I ended working for less than time and a half on a Sunday.

So In most cases there not worth the money.

Regards Bernard

[fowlie]

I think the plan was to have pairs of men doing them at night,we do them on other sites and it cuts down on call outs.well worth doing properly not the substandard that ems guys would do.

[bernard]

I think the plan was to have pairs of men doing them at night,we do them on other sites and it cuts down on call outs.well worth doing properly not the substandard that ems guys would do.

I agree a good case clean saves call outs,but...no call outs no money..and if the case clean is poorly paid then where is the incentive..


Regards Bernard

[Latte]

The last Major company i worked for had two large supermarket contracts.

One of them, the stores although closed at night had staff in 24/7 so case cleans could be done overnight without any problems.
The other one, Case cleans were either done early in the morning before the store opened or on Sunday mornings where the stores sont open till 10am

Either way, we were paid door to door at the appropriate rate for the hours worked.

Nice work if you can get it

Regards

Fatboy

[fowlie]

with the company i work for we would have about an hour per case and about 60 for plant plus time and half for doing the work out of hours so that more than made up for any call outs you would get

[Chunk]

Its not the case cleans in the winter that bothers people,its standing on the roof working on those poxy enviroguard packs or have some of the stores become engineer friendly on the past few years?
Cant say i miss tescos much.

[Latte]

Same as ever i think, Come the summer months B & Q and homebase run out of garden sprinker systems because refrigeration engineers have bought them all and are on supermarket roof's keeping the condensers cool.

Regards

Fatboy

[pcbfix]

Older sites are generally mix of microm, woodley, elm but newer ones (less than 5 years old) are generally Danfoss akc and ekc.

Thanks for the info Chillled, guess I'm going to have to pull apart a couple of Danfoss controllers and get them on my repair list.

Cheers

[coolhibby1875]

the way the contract is being set up is on the basis that an ist does it now and that is being on site at 6 a.m sharp and cleaning 3 cases this is done monday to friday no exception.this may sound like easy o.t but i can tell you one thing you would soon tire off that

[monkey spanners]

Stupid question time!!

What do you have to do for a 'case clean'?

Jon:confused:

[taz24]

Stupid question time!!

What do you have to do for a 'case clean'?

Jon:confused:

Customer normally empties the case or cases. You get on site pull the whites out check for gas leaks and fan rotation, vac drains, check for iced up evaps and air ducts (defrost if required) vac and clean base and then wash clean.
Whites back in power on and full up and trading in less than two hours.
Normally empty from 0600hr to 0800hr. If you have a good store they may empty them the night before and turn them off so they are on the way to being defrosted for you when you arrive.

Cheers taz.

[monkey spanners]

Cheers Taz,

I'd be no good at that as i can't be 'R'sed to get out of bed that early:D

Jon

[bernard]

Hi

Doing and island at a time with case empty,remove air off grilles and wash-refit,Block drain and vac,vac case and jet wash with added cleaner,replace faulty motors plus probes,leak test .Remove kick plate brush and wash floor.Done in 4 - 8 hrs.

Regards Bernard

[Chunk]

Sorry stupid question,But what`s whites?as Taz mentioned earlier.

[taz24]

Sorry stupid question,But what`s whites?as Taz mentioned earlier.


"Whites"

When I worked for Hussmann that was the term we used for all the white panels, shelves and base plates inside the fridge or freezer.

cheers taz.

[Chunk]

Thanx i thought there was some new things in the cases i`d never heard of before:p

The doing a couple of cases a morning is only ok if the drains dont block up for the whole island,and then its not funny.

I still think a proper clean on a sunday night is always best,plus its double time which always helps.

[taz24]

Thanx i thought there was some new things in the cases i`d never heard of before:p

The doing a couple of cases a morning is only ok if the drains dont block up for the whole island,and then its not funny.

I still think a proper clean on a sunday night is always best,plus its double time which always helps.


I agree Chunky.

The smell of blocked drains in the morning Mmmmmmmmmmm:eek: Sets you up for the day:D.


taz

[chillled]

Due an official announcement on08/04/08 on who's got it. as for case cleans get subbies in, cheaper,quicker and cheaper!

[coolhibby1875]

one things for sure denman will not be getting the contract

[mfakazi]

does anyone know if Space got the tesco contract?cos im trying to get a job within supermarket.
I would appreciate any advice.

[Chunk]

No-one knows who got it yet.I think some time in april so not too long to wait.

The way things are going you might not be doing just Tesco`s though so stock up on the supermarket info we are all in for a ride.:)

[mfakazi]

Im trying to find a good company to work for in essex area,i was also thinking about Ad****,does anyone know anything about these guys they seem alright on their website very impressive actually.

[mfakazi]

Can i just ask something for record i have never done any supermaket but i hear all these rumours about engineers making a lot of money while im struggling in AC...can someone honestly confirm how much you guys make in the summera and the winter....im really thinking about changing to supermarket...

thank you

[Chunk]

Yeah i make a lot of money but as you will find out it does not make you happy unless you are a single person.

My missus bitches with the best of them.

Any supermarket job will make you a semi rich man if you dont mind stupid hours and losing weekends in the summer.i have been doing it for 11 years now and i still feel it has served me well.There are a lot of good guys out there who are putting their all into it for little reward but we need more engineers as i still think there is a shortage,plus i want an easier life.

So please jump on board you wont regret it(at least for a couple of years anyway):D


As you may well know,the summer is the busiest time and yes the turnover of engineers is at its highest,but if you are dedicated,the money is always free flowing.
The winter months are always proactive maintenance but with supermarkets they never work in the summer due to undersized equipment,so you are always guaranteed the hours.


I have re read my post and it sounds a bit negative but dont let me fool you.If you want the overtime and you want to learn something new then this is the way to go;).

[mfakazi]

Thanks Chunky for your quick reply you a credit to this site, i really appreciate your response so it sounds really good to me more money less time with my missus you cant beat that..Yeah to be honest i have been thinking about it as i dont mind overtime thats why i was asking the tesco contract..If you do have any advice i would always appreciate it..


thank you:cool:

[750 Valve]

If you do have any advice i would always appreciate it..

Get used to falling asleep 10 mins after getting home...

Get used to going back to work 1 hour later :D

Get used to working non stop for 24 hours straight

Get used to the sound of a pager/beeper

Get used to drinking heaps of coffee

Get used to a FAT paycheck at the end of the week:D

Thats "on call" :D:D:D

[bernard]

hi

I,m hearing WR,s name being batted about more and more each day?? role on the 8th:)

Regards B

[nh3wizard]

one things for sure denman will not be getting the contract

I don't think I would mention Denman to loud, people seem to get their panties in a bunch:) on this site.:p

[coolhibby1875]

hi nh3wizard i have noticed that someone somewhere is closing down threads just when they start to get intresting i use this site for a bit light hearted banter i wish some off the moderators of this site would lighten up a bit before they disapear up there own arses as it seems they are not happy unless they answering questions on supaheats.sorry to rant but a lot of engineers use this site to find info out about other companys/engineers.

[Chunk]

Get used to falling asleep 10 mins after getting home...

Get used to going back to work 1 hour later :D

Get used to working non stop for 24 hours straight

Get used to the sound of a pager/beeper

Get used to drinking heaps of coffee

Get used to a FAT paycheck at the end of the week:D

Thats "on call" :D:D:D


Haha

I agree with some of that but nowadays you just quote health and safety after you have worked for 4 hours and say you need 8 hours rest.;)

I think the best advise i was ever given with supermarkets was that when you are on standby,always volunteer to do a case clean on a sunday evening.Two reasons no1 if you dont get a lot of work in at the weekend you can bump your hours up. And no2 if you had a hard weekend you can guarantee a minimum of 6 hours rest and let the cleaners do all the work while you sleep in the canteen.:D

[Chunk]

hi nh3wizard i have noticed that someone somewhere is closing down threads just when they start to get intresting i use this site for a bit light hearted banter i wish some off the moderators of this site would lighten up a bit before they disapear up there own arses as it seems they are not happy unless they answering questions on supaheats.sorry to rant but a lot of engineers use this site to find info out about other companys/engineers.

Rubbish about Denmans is getting a bit boring without all the facts.

Give it a couple of days and we should all know the truth about whats going on.:D

[ourtezuk]

denmans instal down the pan..heard its folding..lost all contracts.........oh dear:confused::confused::confused:

[NIKK38]

I work for Space but have yet to hear anything concrete, lots of speculation but no one seems to know the facts yet.
I wouldn't put too much faith in anything that gets posted tomorrow, just remember what day it is.

[chillin out]

Due an official announcement on08/04/08 on who's got it. as for case cleans get subbies in, cheaper,quicker and cheaper!
Think again.

More like 1st June.

Chillin:):)

[SUBCONTRACTOR]

Due an official announcement on08/04/08 on who's got it. as for case cleans get subbies in, cheaper,quicker and cheaper!


Yeah man,it ain't that bad idea....we are also humans and on top of that we got family to feed.Do you really think ,that employee X from company X should be more responsible? I doubt it.We do anything possible to keep the customer happy unlike an employee who scratches most of the time his head and is very cautious if his boss knows what he's doing at the moment.I noticed that their only concern is to work less .:mad:

[NIKK38]

There's a meeting next week with Tesco's and all the major players. Should know within a day after that who has got what.
If Space do lose out, who is big enough to fill their boots?. Who has the labour force and the resources to take on such a big slice of the pie?
Watch this SPACE.......

[coolhibby1875]

wr are more than big enough to take stores from space and as for engineers they just go with the $$$$$$$$$$

[NIKK38]

It's not just a case of taking stores, it's about taking the Contract. Space currently do half of the country. Have WR got offices and engineers in as many locations as Space ? Another thing to consider is: if Tesco's move away from Space, Fridge/HVAC, which companies out there can offer both services?

[chillin out]

WR have more than twice the locations than space. Including 2 in Scotland which Space have none of.
Look at both their websites and click 'locations'

HVAC is going in-house anyway.

Chillin:):)

[chillled]

Before space got the tesco contract about 2 years ago WR did most of the service for tesco and still do some now so if they got the majority of them it would be business as usual, plus if it is the majority engineers will be tupe'd from space, but wouldn't leave space much to do north of bormingham would it. Oh dear poor warrington branch! All will be revealed!!!!

[tony--1]

WR has got 24 branches and cover all the uk from them . Space got 10 mainly in the south . I think WR could do the work np . I cover the north west and had the work 2 years ago

[NIKK38]

Before space got the tesco contract about 2 years ago WR did most of the service for tesco and still do some now so if they got the majority of them it would be business as usual, plus if it is the majority engineers will be tupe'd from space, but wouldn't leave space much to do north of bormingham would it. Oh dear poor warrington branch! All will be revealed!!!!


But, doesn't that ask the question - "If WR are so good and did such a good job, why did they lose ther contract ?"

Not sure either if TUPE would apply. It all depends on the percentage of work for an individual engineer that is lost. It still leaves Sainsbury's, M&S, Lidl, Aldi, Somerfield and others. With variations per area.

[tony--1]

WR lost the contract because they would not work for free . Tesco tryed to tell them how much they would do the work for . It doesint work that way

[tony--1]

ppl forget Hussman did the work and look at them now . Oh yer there gone !

[chillled]

ppl forget Hussman did the work and look at them now . Oh yer there gone !
Swallowed up by the mighty wr paaal!:)

[eurocooling]

There's a meeting next week with Tesco's and all the major players. Should know within a day after that who has got what.
If Space do lose out, who is big enough to fill their boots?. Who has the labour force and the resources to take on such a big slice of the pie?
Watch this SPACE.......


I know space have to go in cheap to get the work as they have a lot of out goings


I know space have to go in cheap to get the work as they have a lot of out goings


Space are not going anywhere

[gloucesterfridg]

Space are not going anywhere


You're chatting away to yourself and not making much sense -this really is getting like Fridgeman.!

So what does 'not going anywhere' mean??

[bernard]

Hi

Its the middle managment who need to panic, us engineers just move around.

Regards B

[eurocooling]

You're chatting away to yourself and not making much sense -this really is getting like Fridgeman.!

So what does 'not going anywhere' mean??


I was going to buy Space out, the work they was doing is a good turn over not very good profit


Hi

Its the middle managment who need to panic, us engineers just move around.

Regards B


You are right

[spacecadet]

should hopefully know this week who has tesco contract.

[coolhibby1875]

i think the smart money says wr are going to get the work they have twice the branches and twice the amount of engineers than space.

[bernard]

Hi

I would think it would be split betweem WR, Space,Project first,GB hopefully there will be news soon. However Project First may surprise a few people.....

B..

[chillin out]

I think giving it to project first would be a waste of time.
They are only project managers, I don't think they own a single item or employ an actual engineer (although I could be wrong).

Who would do the actual work, WR? Space?

Chillin:):)

[bernard]

Hi

Project First bought a Welsh Refrigeration company named Red Kite..Keep your eyes and ears on them I think.


Regards B

[DENREF]

RED KITE. previously ECS.......

[bernard]

Hi

Its amazing how many first time posters are suddenly appearing lol

[WebRam]

Just remember that mods are also watching this thread, cheers

[eurocooling]

RED KITE. previously ECS.......


Where Keith and Mark from ECS

[eurocooling]

wr are more than big enough to take stores from space and as for engineers they just go with the $$$$$$$$$$


Space are not big enough to do the job they go in cheap and pay crap money the trade is gone bad and I blame all these companies they should stuck to there prices as Tescos have made enough money

[bernard]

Space are not big enough to do the job they go in cheap and pay crap money the trade is gone bad and I blame all these companies they should stuck to there prices as Tescos have made enough money

Hi

They pay good money with a great package included,the best company I ever worked for.:)

Regards B

[WebRam]

guys guys .................................

thread closed

[chillin out]

Apparently Space did not go in cheap, thats why WR got it a few weeks ago but then it got taken off them because of small print .
Only now Space have dropped their price to compete with WR.

Chillin:):)