Would You ever Work Overseas

[captincodeye]

Would you ever work overseas in places like Iraq or Kuwait?

Would you go for the Money or the experience??

Or would you turn your nose up at it no matter what money they have offered

Reason i am asking is because i get such a vivid response when i ask my work collegues so i though i would ask you fine people.

[thermo prince]

Some weeks ago, a young bloke from London was asking our opinion on work contract (offer) in Afghanistan.
The advice to him was a definite NO ... how do you price your life ??

Here's the thread ....

http://www.refrigeration-engineer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10669&highlight=afghanistan

regards
T-P

[captincodeye]

Well my reckoning is that you would probley be working inside the heavly defended bases of the armed forces so it could be quite safe

[nike123]

I have been in Iraq (Mosul) 1989-90. Since then till now, I am only stronger in the conviction that there is no that amount of money (or any other reason) for which I ever again would go in to this part of the world even as tourist. Regardless of recent war, it is to many cultural differences between my end their world to be there more than few hours, not mentioning longer periods as mine then (1 year with no break). For me, that was like prison.

[captincodeye]

A year with out a break!!!!

[nike123]

A year with out a break!!!!
I was young, and my company has blackmailed me to go there, or I loose my job!
On the other hand, then I could choose between Russia and Iraq. I choose Iraq because of double money then in Russia. I still regret that decision.

[thermo prince]

ah yes Nike,,,,, Iraq under Saddam. I was there in 80's too. All those State Establishments for ... Slaughteries, Fisheries, etc etc. Modelled on Soviet systems if I am not mistaken.
Rationing? coupons for cooking gas? etc ..... shopkeepers greet you with " macu" - (dont have) or 'bucharrah enshalla" ? ( -tomorrow please God) ;)

We worked out of Baghdad - projects in Doura ( heavily bombed later) and Iskandariah among others.

I wonder did it get any better after downfall ... personal safety for 'adjanabi' foreigners was NEVER a problem back then. Respect and plenty of beat cops & traffic police everywhere - not to mention the feared mukabbarat in their white Crown Super Saloon 2.8's!!. :eek:

yep, best of times amongst the worst of times!
I looked upon it in a positive way - great learning experience and teaches you self -reliance and improvisation !! ..... like " self-vaccum" on a compressor as a temporary fix!!! :rolleyes:

regards :D
T-P

[nike123]

Hi, thermo prince!

We worked on military tank base in place called Al Qasek (i think that is how it spells). I was then electrician (and I am still :-) ) working at installing el. installations in some of base buildings. We were working and living there in base camp and only allowed to go out in Mosul in Friday afternoon (12-20). And, when you go out, there is not much to see or do or to spend money except, kill your self in bad whiskey and piss-like bier. No womans, no music, no friendly natives, no nothing except thousands of kids who wants clean your shoes. I cannot imagine that nowadays is anything better, it could be only worse.

I hope, that this experience could help someone to make better decisions in life.
Good luck!

[Josip]

Hi all :)

I used to work at many places all around the world....some good, some not...money is important , but never must be the main issue (maybe I had a good luck, who knows;)).....

....in another hand when you are young it is easy to make a lot of wrong decisions, thinking: everything will be ok, you still have a time and chance to change something later on,......usually not...

...even today I can accept to work in some wilderness, but for sure not where is a war.....in that case my answer is NO

Best regards, Josip :)

[absolute-zero]

I dont think its in any us citezens best interest to work overseas these days.

The world hates us for our leaders that have bullied others around in courses of actions over the last 50 years.

It is in my beleif that if the us wasnt such a strong country, and didnt have the ability to dictate to other countries cultures, and we minded our business not interfering with other countries cultures, there would be a good possibility that we may have never fallen under terrorists attacks. Which have lead to all our on destruction and demise.

I am not oppsed to relocating to another country where i may be a benfit to there working economics, but not to a country that would just assume cut my head off and broadcast it on a silver platter on the world wide web.

A-Z:rolleyes:

[nike123]

I dont think its in any us citezens best interest to work overseas these days.

The world hates us for our leaders that have bullied others around in courses of actions over the last 50 years.



That is political subject, so I will send you a PM.:eek:

But, first I need to find way to send you one.:confused:

The best thing is, that I already consult some of forum members to send me a PM, but I personally don't know how to send to particular member when I reed his post.

[The Viking]

....in another hand when you are young it is easy to make a lot of wrong decisions, thinking: everything will be ok, you still have a time and chance to change something later on,......usually not...

...even today I can accept to work in some wilderness, but for sure not where is a war.....in that case my answer is NO

Best regards, Josip :)

Just look at me,

I'm stuck over here now.:eek:

[absolute-zero]

That is political subject, so I will send you a PM.:eek:

But, first I need to find way to send you one.:confused:

The best thing is, that I already consult some of forum members to send me a PM, but I personally don't know how to send to particular member when I reed his post.

Yeah im not sure how to retieve pms or send them yet either, i would guess it has to be set up first through RE admins or moderators. I dont think a new member gets that at first.

Imagine if if you got bombarded with emails all the time buy some stupid advertisement. Re does not want this to happen to you in efforts to respect your privacy and not allowing all that horse dung to happen to its members. I think its a good thing. But ialso think they should let the member make that decision, along with the adhered warning of potentiol spammings.

Maybe this is a question for WebRam as he may know how to do this. you never know and it certainly never hurts to ask?;)

If that dont work, there always yahoo IM.:D



A-Z

[Josip]

Hi, Nike123 :)

That is political subject, so I will send you a PM.:eek:

But, first I need to find way to send you one.:confused:

The best thing is, that I already consult some of forum members to send me a PM, but I personally don't know how to send to particular member when I reed his post.

Click on particular member avatar....you will have a new window: View profile:xxxxx and there is an option, see example for you...

http://www.refrigeration-engineer.com/forums/private.php?do=newpm&u=13885

Send a private message to xxx...., but maybe you must make some adjustments within yours "User CP" under "Edit options" for private messaging.....

hope this is of some help....

BTW...I am glad to see you here....

Best regards, Josip :)

[captincodeye]

What would you class as a decent salary for this kind of work 50k-60k??

[absolute-zero]

Hi, Nike123 :)



Click on particular member avatar....you will have a new window: View profile:xxxxx and there is an option, see example for you...

http://www.refrigeration-engineer.com/forums/private.php?do=newpm&u=13885

Send a private message to xxx...., but maybe you must make some adjustments within yours "User CP" under "Edit options" for private messaging.....

hope this is of some help....

BTW...I am glad to see you here....

Best regards, Josip :)


Greetings Josip,

I have followed your instructions above but i still do not see anywhere. where ican set up PM.

I did go to my user CP edit option, and the only thing i see is... allow members to email me. with a box to check, below allow admins to email me as well...

I do not see any where private messaging.

what am i missing here?

Thanks for your help

A-Z

[Josip]

Hi, Absolute-Zero :)

Greetings Josip,

I have followed your instructions above but i still do not see anywhere. where ican set up PM.

I did go to my user CP edit option, and the only thing i see is... allow members to email me. with a box to check, below allow admins to email me as well...

I do not see any where private messaging.

what am i missing here?

Thanks for your help

A-Z

...when you open your User CP-user control panel you should have page with windows...like....

Settings&Options.....Edit signature....Edit Email....Edit profile....Edit options....Edit Avatar....Edit profile picture

Private Messages.....List messages....Send new message.....Track message....Edit folders...

Subscribed threads....List subscriptions....Edit folders

Miscellaneous... Event reminders...Group membership....Buddy/Ignore list.....Attachments

Sorry, please check again all, maybe I miss something, some of actions are not allowed to all......Dear Mods:confused:, please help.....

Best regards, Josip :)

[absolute-zero]

Hi, Absolute-Zero :)



...when you open your User CP-user control panel you should have page with windows...like....

Settings&Options.....Edit signature....Edit Email....Edit profile....Edit options....Edit Avatar....Edit profile picture

Private Messages.....List messages....Send new message.....Track message....Edit folders...

Subscribed threads....List subscriptions....Edit folders

Miscellaneous... Event reminders...Group membership....Buddy/Ignore list.....Attachments

Sorry, please check again all, maybe I miss something, some of actions are not allowed to all......Dear Mods:confused:, please help.....

Best regards, Josip :)

Yeah it must not be available to me I have been in there a 100times and do not see it.

I just do not understand why its available to some and not others.

Please forgive the questions below as i cant seem to comminicate in a PM or email in private

Do you have to get to certain post amount before this action is allowed?

Is this a pick and chose who gets pm privelages and who doesnt?

I would lean more twards the second as I have posted much more than others that have and are using the PM feature.

A-Z

[captincodeye]

Can any of you guys help me with my questions or you just gunna minge around tryin to sort your P.M.'s Out??

[Josip]

Hi, absolute-zero :)

...I am also :confused:

according to this....

http://www.refrigeration-engineer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=85

please check, there shouldn't be any problem/s with PM, but reality is sometimes different;)

Yeah it must not be available to me I have been in there a 100times and do not see it.

I just do not understand why its available to some and not others.

Please forgive the questions below as i cant seem to comminicate in a PM or email in private

a) Do you have to get to certain post amount before this action is allowed?

b) Is this a pick and chose who gets pm privelages and who doesnt?

I would lean more twards the second as I have posted much more than others that have and are using the PM feature.

A-Z

For a) and b) answer is NO...you need to have 15 posts before you are allowed to post URL what is OK;)

Hope someone will revert about..

Best regards, Josip :)

[Josip]

Hi, captincodeye :)

What would you class as a decent salary for this kind of work 50k-60k??

assuming you are from England and you are thinking about k of Pounds Sterling ;), sounds nice, if it is decent you must find out by yourself, we'll be here waiting for your answer....

you already have a lot of our answers...but you must make your own decision, definitely....



Can any of you guys help me with my questions or you just gunna minge around tryin to sort your P.M.'s Out??

this was not nice....we are here also to help another members too;)

Best regards, Josip :)

[monkey spanners]

Captincodeye,

Only you can decide if its enough money or if the risk isn't too great, if i were happy to go for a 10k and a bucket and spade (all that sand!!) , it doesn't mean that it would right for you too:)

Jon

(Josip beat me to it.)

[absolute-zero]

Josip,

Firstly My apologies to the Captaincodeye

thanks for all of your help and I did read this forum rule page several times.

Maybe there is something wrong with the site as this may be a problem to many others as well.

No sweat though I did edit my contact info so I would suppose if a person reaaly wanted to Pm me, they could through yahoo instant messenger.

You know what else Josip, I clicked on your avatar and it took me to your profile like it said it would, but there was nothing there that would let me contact you via email or PM.

Is that normal?

Thanks,





Regards A-Z

[nike123]

Hi, Nike123 :)



Click on particular member avatar....you will have a new window: View profile:xxxxx and there is an option, see example for you...

http://www.refrigeration-engineer.com/forums/private.php?do=newpm&u=13885

Send a private message to xxx...., but maybe you must make some adjustments within yours "User CP" under "Edit options" for private messaging.....

hope this is of some help....

BTW...I am glad to see you here....

Best regards, Josip :)

Thanks, I sorted out my P.M.s.;)

[Josip]

Hi, Nike123 :)

Thanks, I sorted out my P.M.s.;)

please, share with others....seems I cannot help:confused:

Best regards, Josip :)

[absolute-zero]

What would you class as a decent salary for this kind of work 50k-60k??

I dont think I would claasify that as a desent salary,

but each is to there own.

125k US is a decent salarie, anything less is lunch money,

and allow me to get back on topic here, 125k is not decest if is the cost of your head on a platter. or possibly being slaughterd soon after you arrive, this would seem to cause me a great deal of anxiety worrying about those things.

Sometimes you just cant put a price tag on things especially when it comes to quality of life and lively hood.

I would certainly never even imagine relocation to Irac or Pakistan Afgan or any of those sister countries that hate me for any amount of money.

A-Z

[absolute-zero]

I figured it out,

You have to go to user CP, go to member ship group tab and check the box to be added to the RE Group.

It is then and then I saw my Private message options appear.

Very cool.

[Karl Hofmann]

£50-60K pa might be ok for the friendly middle east countries such as the UAE, Bahrain or even Saudi where you can enjoy your time off and relax but in some of the areas where security is a problem you will have to think of a really big number, cos when you are not working you will still be cooped up in a secure compound with people that you really might not like, add to that the possibility that nasty things could happen to you... Yeah I'd go but make it worth my while and NOT for £50-60K

[paul_h]

£50-60K pa might be ok for the friendly middle east countries such as the UAE, Bahrain or even Saudi where you can enjoy your time off and relax but in some of the areas where security is a problem you will have to think of a really big number, cos when you are not working you will still be cooped up in a secure compound with people that you really might not like, add to that the possibility that nasty things could happen to you... Yeah I'd go but make it worth my while and NOT for £50-60K
Exactly, you can make 50-60k equivalent here in australia by starting your own business doing installs and service work. No way would I move into a 24hr work enviroment in a war zone for that money. I'd rather have my own free personal time and not be mortared. But as said above I'd move to a different country without a war going on for that money just for the experience.
Double that amount though...

[absolute-zero]

Exactly, you can make 50-60k equivalent here in australia by starting your own business doing installs and service work. No way would I move into a 24hr work enviroment in a war zone for that money. I'd rather have my own free personal time and not be mortared. But as said above I'd move to a different country without a war going on for that money just for the experience.
Double that amount though...

I hear ya.

[thermo prince]

Hi Paul H,

Don't forget 50 - 60 K UK Pounds (I dont have Stlg keyboard) equates to roughly 100 -120,000 US $ at approx 2:1 exchange rate ( actually it's slipped slightly to 1.97 today).

In AUD $ @.88 exchange rate to USD, that's already approx A$ 114k to A$136K.
And ... NO income tax remember in Dubai, Saudi etc.
I think Aussie tax is approx 30% in the dollar typically !

Add in a couple of paid trips home annually, company apt and subsidized living & other allowances, then a lot of that Gross income is actually close to Nett income!!:cool:

Having said that, Dubai is now literally " an oasis in the desert" and its easy to spend there! many temptations.
Stay away from "The Dubliner" pub every night or more specifically that raunchy night club next door ;) ;) YUK YUK YUK if you wanna save your spondulex !
Its not unlike the Wild West there ( more appropriately Wild Mid East) - stay outta Dodge !

regards
T-P

[paul_h]

Hi Paul H,

Don't forget 50 - 60 K UK Pounds (I dont have Stlg keyboard) equates to roughly 100 -120,000 US $ at approx 2:1 exchange rate ( actually it's slipped slightly to 1.97 today).

In AUD $ @.88 exchange rate to USD, that's already approx A$ 114k to A$136K.
And ... NO income tax remember in Dubai, Saudi etc.
I think Aussie tax is approx 30% in the dollar typically !

Add in a couple of paid trips home annually, company apt and subsidized living & other allowances, then a lot of that Gross income is actually close to Nett income!!:cool:

Having said that, Dubai is now literally " an oasis in the desert" and its easy to spend there! many temptations.
Stay away from "The Dubliner" pub every night or more specifically that raunchy night club next door ;) ;) YUK YUK YUK if you wanna save your spondulex !
Its not unlike the Wild West there ( more appropriately Wild Mid East) - stay outta Dodge !

regards
T-PYeah I know the exchange rate, a fridgey working 44hr/wk for an employer here is taking home AU$75k.
When I said you could earn 50-60k pounds equivalent, I did mean au$100-120K. It's eay to do just as a split installer, a subcontractor or starting you own service company.
I did say I'd go to a country that's not a war zone like dubai for 50-60k pounds, but not iraq/afghanistan.

[paul_h]

edit: I meant au$75k before tax but can't edit the above post

[thermo prince]

edit: I meant au$75k before tax but can't edit the above post

Its Ok Paul H , I got yer meaning.

What I mean to say is ....The big difference is Aussie tax : if I am correct in assuming 30% flat rate avg, then that's 30K AUD in every 100K you earn. So you have 70k/100k before expenses , retirement fund, medical etccharges.

In Mid East, you starting 110K~135K AUD salary is free of tax entirely.

PS, here is useful currency exchange link for everybody. It's live during weekdays - only at w/e some trading is slow or stopped. Enjoy .... :)

http://www.forex-markets.com/quotes.htm

regards
T-P

[knight rider]

hi guys
with a wage off 50k+ sterling tax free i would be interested in working in the middle east ,
do you guys have in any information about how i could apply for such vacancies ?

many thanks

[paul_h]

Its Ok Paul H , I got yer meaning.

What I mean to say is ....The big difference is Aussie tax : if I am correct in assuming 30% flat rate avg, then that's 30K AUD in every 100K you earn. So you have 70k/100k before expenses , retirement fund, medical etccharges.

In Mid East, you starting 110K~135K AUD salary is free of tax entirely.

PS, here is useful currency exchange link for everybody. It's live during weekdays - only at w/e some trading is slow or stopped. Enjoy .... :)

http://www.forex-markets.com/quotes.htm

regards
T-PJust a question, dubai might not charge you tax, but don;t you have to declare the income to the country you're a citizen of anyway when you return?
Just the legalities here, no "what they don't know won't hurt them".
For example, if I start my own business, do a lot of cash jobs, take all the government small business concessions, and claim a lot of deductions for running the business, there's no way I'm going to pay 30% tax here, it would be way less
While if you do work overseas, when you come back here , if you declare the income you will pay 30% to the au government anyway as this is your place of residence and you will eventually have to explain yourself to the tax office if you ever return. It's obviously not a problem if you live over there for years, but what if you return and have an au bank account full of money?
Of course you can lie about it, but you can also lie about the amount you earn working for yourself here and never leave the country.
edit: FWIW
our tax here isn't a flat rate, its tax free for the first au$6K, + 15% up to 25k, + 30% up to 75k
(you only pay 30% for every dollar after the first 25k, not from $0. - ie you earn $75k, you pay 30% for $50k, 15% for $19K and $6k is tax free).
Then 40% over au$75k and 45% over au$150k.
edit: But as I said, every cent you spend running your business here can be deducted from your income when running a business, so it's easy to claim a lot of it and more back. eg if you rent, you can say you work from home and deduct 1/4 of your rent if you allocate one room as an office, same goes for power, phone, car rego etc.

[thermo prince]

Good points PaulH - it may be that Australia follows the returnee tax declaration policy like USA and Canada.
Hmmm .... there are plenty of expats from all over USA, UK, ANZ etc working up here in Hk & Singapore.

These 2 cities are like the Switzerland of Asia.
Monies held here are tax free and safe ; forex switching, Hang Seng & overseas stock trading, buy& sell can all be done by phone or over internet. Dubai is working to create the same sort of haven.

I wonder how many expats close those accounts when they return back home? I doubt it very much. ;)
All you need is a debit cash card you can use worldwide. Leave your money here and spend at home, when you go home. Who needs to know ? :D:D

But ... as you say, there are many tricks to claiming for expenses and costs you can easily do there, without need for or risking working overseas at all, for basically the same 'take home pay' or money in your pocket.

Anyhow, you are mature, set up and seem to have a business plan worked out for what you are going to do.
The other guys posting are not so well set up I guess.:)

regards
T-P

[absolute-zero]

Good points PaulH - it may be that Australia follows the returnee tax declaration policy like USA and Canada.
Hmmm .... there are plenty of expats from all over USA, UK, ANZ etc working up here in Hk & Singapore.

These 2 cities are like the Switzerland of Asia.
Monies held here are tax free and safe ; forex switching, Hang Seng & overseas stock trading, buy& sell can all be done by phone or over internet. Dubai is working to create the same sort of haven.

I wonder how many expats close those accounts when they return back home? I doubt it very much. ;)
All you need is a debit cash card you can use worldwide. Leave your money here and spend at home, when you go home. Who needs to know ? :D:D


But ... as you say, there are many tricks to claiming for expenses and costs you can easily do there, without need for or risking working overseas at all, for basically the same 'take home pay' or money in your pocket.



Anyhow, you are mature, set up and seem to have a business plan worked out for what you are going to do.
The other guys posting are not so well set up I guess.:)

regards
T-P

Thats right who needs to know, if you can hold a credit debit cash card through thess type of banking organization and use it world wide its all goood.

Expensing is tough to do here in the US as the IRS laws have gotten stricter. I am always trying to figure out ways to expense everything. Its no mwonder that the factories and manufacturing plants are leaving the US. the business taxes her are not in anyones favor but the governments. Which probbaly explains alot of our issues here in budgeting.:mad:

Just adding my 2 cents worth a usual.

A-Z

[captincodeye]

Cheers giuys i hear what you are all saying boy o boy tough desions but one thats got to be made

[Karl Hofmann]

It may have changed in the last few years, but when I worked in Dubai, the Inland Revenue weren't interested in what you had earned abroad provided you had been out of the UK for a set period of time, I think it was around 11 months..

[Thana]

I'm wondering? Does anybody know where to find these jobs overseas? I've been looking for some time but have'nt seen any yet..? Or are they all to good/bad to be true.. If anybody would send some details I'd be gratefull.
UAE, (dubia saudi..etc)

[Latte]

Are there any jet set engineers out there
summer in UK, winter when its slow abroard

i must admit going abroard appeals to me but only for a couple months if the money is ok
afganistan/iraq doesnt appeal but not bothered about anywhere else

regards

Fatboy

[Toosh]

Hi I typed into google refigeration jobs mid east and a whole page came up, ive been there done that in 70`s i used to do short contracts, i got 3000 pounds for a 2 month job, walked out of the UAE with the sterling in a brief case

Norm

[Springbok]

Hey all.Seems there are always a few oppurtunties in the middle east.True the fact one could be a snipers target while hanging the outdoor unit.Ha ha ha!Woul be the wrong place at the wrong time,I guess.Even when I was working back home in South Africa,a lot of our work was done in the townships and rural areas.

I have been a victim of a hijacking before,but if you get a call out for a freezer room at two in the morning in a township,count yourself unlucky,and blame your boss.We did nag him for personal life insurance cover,but never got it....Stingy *******!!

[absolute-zero]

Hey all.Seems there are always a few oppurtunties in the middle east.True the fact one could be a snipers target while hanging the outdoor unit.Ha ha ha!Woul be the wrong place at the wrong time,I guess.Even when I was working back home in South Africa,a lot of our work was done in the townships and rural areas.

I have been a victim of a hijacking before,but if you get a call out for a freezer room at two in the morning in a township,count yourself unlucky,and blame your boss.We did nag him for personal life insurance cover,but never got it....Stingy *******!!

Yep thats the **** right there, that keeps me in myplace. Its stories like this that disturb me.

Springbok, Your lucky to to have lived and post your expeirnce, as not being a CNN headliner.

Maybe they rather just stay as a third world coutry with out air condition and refrigeration. let them sip on there own sweat and continue to eat sand.;)

[thermo prince]

Yes A-Z and others, 'Far Away Hills Look Green' is a famous old expression.
All the big money on overseas contracts is not for nothing - the danger factor is in there.

Not alone in Mid East or Africa either - sometimes the danger can lurk closer to home.

A colleague of mine for 15yrs, working in the town of Surabaya for our Indonesian dealer was attacked recently by machete-wielding thugs as he left a local bank. Intent to rob him, there was no threat or warning - just 'shock and awe' local style- they hacked one hand off at wrist and other was left dangling, 'saved' if we wanna call it that by the metal bracelet of his wrist watch. :(

So ,,, 'home sweet home' sometimes not so bad after all .... so what of the M25 gridlock or the BQE is a 'parking lot' - you get to have a beer safely down yer local with the mates of a w/e: have a flutter on Frankie Dettori at Sandown : go to Yankee Stadium : or have a 'barbie' in the case of our Aussie friends - it comes down to quality of life wherever you happen to grow up or live.

Something to reflect upon ..... life is what we make it.

regards
T-P

[absolute-zero]

Yes A-Z and others, 'Far Away Hills Look Green' is a famous old expression.
All the big money on overseas contracts is not for nothing - the danger factor is in there.

Not alone in Mid East or Africa either - sometimes the danger can lurk closer to home.

A colleague of mine for 15yrs, working in the town of Surabaya for our Indionesian dealer was attacked recently by machete-wielding thugs as he left a local bank. Intent to rob him, there was no threat or warning - just 'shock and awe' local style- they hacked one hand off at wrist and other was left dangling, 'saved' if we wanna call it that by the metal bracelet of his wrist watch. :(

So ,,, 'home sweet home' sometimes not so bad after all .... so what of the M25 gridlock or the BQE is a 'parking lot' - you get to have a beer safely down yer local with the mates of a w/e: have a flutter on Frankie Dettori at Sandown : go to Yankee Stadium : have a 'barbie' i nthe3 case of our Aussie friends- it comes down to quality of life wherever you happen to grow up or live.

Something to reflect upon ..... life is what we make it.

regards
T-P

T-P, I agree with you on some dangers being close to home, as we have some bad situations here in the US from time to time.:(

The differnce in most of these trageic sitiuations are as, these people have no value for human life, and will have motive to kill you in a manner that is based on there beliefs and not the motive to kill you for your assets which may contain liquid cash worth.:(

Also you have my sympothies with what happened to your friend. I also remain happy to hear, that he was able to escape with his life.:)

A-Z

[crazykev]

I voted , if the money was right .Would be a great experience in ones career.

I hear , refrigeration mechanic don't pay that good in the UK.So UK would be out .

[Abby Normal]

I have been overseas for the past 10 years.

You could not pay me enough to go over there for the priviledge of being beheaded on line.

[philfridge]

Yes have worked overseas and its good money and experience but be very choosy where you go because you might find yourself in bother if you go somewhere in the middle east like iraq .

[samiam]

After 6 years of engineering in my home country (from automotive manufacturing to Ammonia refrigeration) - I am in the mood to do a stint in the Middle East.

Especially since we do not have anymore electrical power left .....

[absolute-zero]

I have been overseas for the past 10 years.

You could not pay me enough to go over there for the priviledge of being beheaded on line.

Yep cant put a price on losing your head:cool:

[Grizzly]

We all want better for ourselves and our own.
And many myself included have chased the "golden shilling".
Sometimes half the way around the world.
If you so need to, do it whilst you are young.
But the richest people i know.
Are the ones that have settled and built upon what they have got.
And more importantly realised that what they have got is not so bad.
Mind you that philosophy is easier to accept when you are older and have tried.
When you are younger the opposite applies. You need to prove that you can do it.

So I guess when you are younger the risks are easier justified than when you are older.

Excuse my ramblings guys, but on my recent trips I realised that.
More people wish for what I have got, than I them!
Grizzly

[captincodeye]

Cheers Grizz for word of wisdom, i am still keepin my eyes peeled for that golden payday but at the moment not activaly seeking it, just happy getting my hands dirty here. But saying that i may need that golden shilling job just to fill my tank up with Diseal!!!

The Captin

[reggiecdizon]

Presently, I'm here in Qatar and we are looking for a Filipino Refrigeration Engineer, if you are interested, send your resume or CV to my emal address:

Thanks,

Reggie

[knight rider]

why are you looking only for pilipino engineers ? , are they the best or just the cheapest

[Grizzly]

Cheers Grizz for word of wisdom, i am still keepin my eyes peeled for that golden payday but at the moment not activaly seeking it, just happy getting my hands dirty here. But saying that i may need that golden shilling job just to fill my tank up with Diseal!!!

The Captin

Hang on in there mate!
Surely you and anyone else in the south east. Is
going to be in demand. Once the Olympics Works kick in?
Has anyone heard as to if any HVACR Contracts have been awarded yet?

Knight rider.
I suspect that you know the answer to your question already!
Suffice to say We are no longer the cheap option in that neck of the woods!
Cheers Grizzly

[Magoo]

Seems like everybody is dollar/sterlng driven, avoid hotspots like anywhere lead is flying around , can tend to spoil your day, and pi** the wife off if you come home in a box.
Select short stay project deals, get out and experience different cultures and people. Enjoy fleesing them and smile.
Everybody seems to sound like a hero in their own back yard and the world needs you. Yes the world needs your skills and knowledge, but without the prema-donna bullsh#t attitude. I have been doing off shore short project work for twenty years plus, the money is good and the wife enjoys spending it, plus a lot of fun when you get home, nudge nudge so no more. Most sites I visit builds on-going relationships and repeat business. Worked in Russia Japan Austrlia Fiji China, plus just about every city in NZ.
This is currently written half a sleep in Beijing China, here for probable 4 weeks, everthing paid for based on 10 hrs a day from the time I leave home till back by seven days a week, basic 5kNZ dollars a week. Get to see the great wall , the forbidden city and Tenamin square to boot all in the deal and paid for.
So in short, get out of your comfort zone and do it, spread the skill and make money, network.

magoo

[Karl Hofmann]

Seems like everybody is dollar/sterlng driven, avoid hotspots like anywhere lead is flying around , can tend to spoil your day, and pi** the wife off if you come home in a box.


LOL My Ex would be delighted if I came home in a box.... Or better still several small boxes :D

Work in London?:eek::eek::eek: No way!! That lot make gun toting fundamentalists seem friendly :p

[captincodeye]

Any One Know how is being lined for the Olympic Projects?

And Karl working in regards to wroking in London................... Your Right!!! Hate the place,

[nichpatch]

hi
i am currently in NZ and need to earn better money can you give me any contacts to work offshore the as you do
thanks
nick

[Big John]

Had 15 years working in Saudi, great experience. wonderfull local people. All tax free, uk inland revenue not interested as long as you are not back in the uk for longer than 90 days in any tax year.
p.s.
if you are going to dubai try the cyclone club, dont take the wife and hold on to your wallet.

[immi]

....So in short, get out of your comfort zone and do it, spread the skill and make money, network...

magoo


Hi all,

I have been worked in the UK, now currently I'm working in the beautyful NZ, for one of the leader companies in air conditioning, it is fairly good, but I would like to do a 6 mounths period somewhere for those gold coins:)

If anyone has any current expirience, details, please do not hold back! I'm happy to share my own NZ expirience if anyone interested!

Thanks,

immi

[ckone180]

The world hates us for our leaders that have bullied others around in courses of actions over the last 50 years.

It is in my beleif that if the us wasnt such a strong country, and didnt have the ability to dictate to other countries cultures, and we minded our business not interfering with other countries cultures, there would be a good possibility that we may have never fallen under terrorists attacks. Which have lead to all our on destruction and demise.

A-Z:rolleyes:
So in short you hate your own country? How is it we can "dictate" other countries cultures? Interfering is a different issue, good luck with that...:off topic: